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Old 09-26-2013, 05:20 AM   #1
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How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL

Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah.

Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense.

Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense.

I love it when these people are made to look stupid.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:31 AM   #2
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It took time to see Spags body of work.

But when you look at defenses after he leaves a team (Giants, Rams, Saints) and then you question.............WTF was he ever doing?

Giants defense never changed any after he left, certainly never got worse.

Rams defense never changed any after he left, some might say it got better.

Saints defense got way better.


Hes over there in Baltimore, they not exactly great on Defense, although they lose Reed and Lewis to. But still........
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The game nowadays is all about adjustments and are you humble enough to admit what you were doing wasn't working.

Great coaches adjust to their defensive players and the way the other team are playing.

Sean Payton makes adjustments, Rob Ryan makes adjustments. Spags refused to and was so set in his way that no defensive player ever felt comfortable in that D.

Now the players feel comfortable, they have their swagger back and rightfully so, they pretty much won the first two games for us and threw the cardinals out of the dome
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He looks great standing on someone else's sidelines!
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The game nowadays is all about adjustments and are you humble enough to admit what you were doing wasn't working.

Great coaches adjust to their defensive players and the way the other team are playing.

Sean Payton makes adjustments, Rob Ryan makes adjustments. Spags refused to and was so set in his way that no defensive player ever felt comfortable in that D.

Now the players feel comfortable, they have their swagger back and rightfully so, they pretty much won the first two games for us and threw the cardinals out of the dome
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I kind of understand. But looking at it more closely the Ravens have only allowed 15pts in the past two games. Take away that first game and they are looking pretty solid.
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Spags doesn't look as bad now as he did a year ago.
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I kind of understand. But looking at it more closely the Ravens have only allowed 15pts in the past two games. Take away that first game and they are looking pretty solid.
I agree with you. I don't think he was a horrible coach (although he's not the DC for baltimore so it's not really his defense) but I do think he was a horrible fit for us.
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Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL

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Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah.

Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense.

Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense.

I love it when these people are made to look stupid.
I don't think it's necessarily being a better fit for a 3-4 vs a 4-3, although that is part of the improvement. The Saints have gotten a lot of pressure on passing downs rushing 4 without blitzing (in other words, playing 4 down defensive linemen); and a team can expect to be in "base" defense only about 30% of the time.

I really think a talent infusion has a lot to do with the improvement. John Jenkins in the middle; Junior Galette being a "starter" rather than a situational player, Tyrunn Walker (who had no snaps last season, and was inactive for 15 of the 16 games) and Glenn Foster rotating in and getting push; Keenan Lewis covering on the back end; and, of course, Kenny Vaccaro.

And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed.
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And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed.
Between him and Vacarro, I don't know who fires them up the most...but whomever it is, keep rockin' it. I spent the last two days rewatching the game on NFL rewind just to watch the defense.

When the hell was that last time that happened?!?!?
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