How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL

Jack Vegas · 09-26-2013, 05:20 AM

Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah.

Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense.

Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense.

I love it when these people are made to look stupid.

Vrillon82 · 09-26-2013, 05:31 AM

It took time to see Spags body of work.

But when you look at defenses after he leaves a team (Giants, Rams, Saints) and then you question.............WTF was he ever doing?

Giants defense never changed any after he left, certainly never got worse.

Rams defense never changed any after he left, some might say it got better.

Saints defense got way better.

Hes over there in Baltimore, they not exactly great on Defense, although they lose Reed and Lewis to. But still........

dizzle88 · 09-26-2013, 06:02 AM

The game nowadays is all about adjustments and are you humble enough to admit what you were doing wasn't working.

Great coaches adjust to their defensive players and the way the other team are playing.

Sean Payton makes adjustments, Rob Ryan makes adjustments. Spags refused to and was so set in his way that no defensive player ever felt comfortable in that D.

Now the players feel comfortable, they have their swagger back and rightfully so, they pretty much won the first two games for us and threw the cardinals out of the dome

Seer1 · 09-26-2013, 07:34 AM

He looks great standing on someone else's sidelines!

TheOak · 09-26-2013, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The game nowadays is all about adjustments and are you humble enough to admit what you were doing wasn't working.

Great coaches adjust to their defensive players and the way the other team are playing.

Sean Payton makes adjustments, Rob Ryan makes adjustments. Spags refused to and was so set in his way that no defensive player ever felt comfortable in that D.

Now the players feel comfortable, they have their swagger back and rightfully so, they pretty much won the first two games for us and threw the cardinals out of the dome

There are way too many young and veteran players alike waiting to come into this league... Same goes with coaches etc...

Football is an Alpha sport.. A get it done league.. And if one person just can not get it done, you can certainly find another that will.

Fans become enamored with a player because they are emotionally or financially invested in him or his jersey. To the owners, coaches, and players, it is a job. It is a job with performance expectations and financial and career ramifications.

exile · 09-26-2013, 11:05 AM

I kind of understand. But looking at it more closely the Ravens have only allowed 15pts in the past two games. Take away that first game and they are looking pretty solid.

Mardigras9 · 09-26-2013, 12:04 PM

Spags doesn't look as bad now as he did a year ago.

ikecomp · 09-26-2013, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by exile

I kind of understand. But looking at it more closely the Ravens have only allowed 15pts in the past two games. Take away that first game and they are looking pretty solid.

I agree with you. I don't think he was a horrible coach (although he's not the DC for baltimore so it's not really his defense) but I do think he was a horrible fit for us.

the-commish · 09-26-2013, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah.

Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense.

Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense.

I love it when these people are made to look stupid.

I don't think it's necessarily being a better fit for a 3-4 vs a 4-3, although that is part of the improvement. The Saints have gotten a lot of pressure on passing downs rushing 4 without blitzing (in other words, playing 4 down defensive linemen); and a team can expect to be in "base" defense only about 30% of the time.

I really think a talent infusion has a lot to do with the improvement. John Jenkins in the middle; Junior Galette being a "starter" rather than a situational player, Tyrunn Walker (who had no snaps last season, and was inactive for 15 of the 16 games) and Glenn Foster rotating in and getting push; Keenan Lewis covering on the back end; and, of course, Kenny Vaccaro.

And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed.

SaintnDE · 09-26-2013, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by the-commish

And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed.

Between him and Vacarro, I don't know who fires them up the most...but whomever it is, keep rockin' it. I spent the last two days rewatching the game on NFL rewind just to watch the defense.

When the hell was that last time that happened?!?!?

09-26-2013, 05:20 AM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah. Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense. Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense. I love it when these people are made to look stupid. D_it_up, RockyMountainSaint, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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09-26-2013, 05:31 AM	#2
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL It took time to see Spags body of work. But when you look at defenses after he leaves a team (Giants, Rams, Saints) and then you question.............WTF was he ever doing? Giants defense never changed any after he left, certainly never got worse. Rams defense never changed any after he left, some might say it got better. Saints defense got way better. Hes over there in Baltimore, they not exactly great on Defense, although they lose Reed and Lewis to. But still........
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09-26-2013, 06:02 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL The game nowadays is all about adjustments and are you humble enough to admit what you were doing wasn't working. Great coaches adjust to their defensive players and the way the other team are playing. Sean Payton makes adjustments, Rob Ryan makes adjustments. Spags refused to and was so set in his way that no defensive player ever felt comfortable in that D. Now the players feel comfortable, they have their swagger back and rightfully so, they pretty much won the first two games for us and threw the cardinals out of the dome biloxi-indian, RockyMountainSaint, TheOak and 3 others like this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by dizzle88 The game nowadays is all about adjustments and are you humble enough to admit what you were doing wasn't working. Great coaches adjust to their defensive players and the way the other team are playing. Sean Payton makes adjustments, Rob Ryan makes adjustments. Spags refused to and was so set in his way that no defensive player ever felt comfortable in that D. Now the players feel comfortable, they have their swagger back and rightfully so, they pretty much won the first two games for us and threw the cardinals out of the dome There are way too many young and veteran players alike waiting to come into this league... Same goes with coaches etc... Football is an Alpha sport.. A get it done league.. And if one person just can not get it done, you can certainly find another that will. Fans become enamored with a player because they are emotionally or financially invested in him or his jersey. To the owners, coaches, and players, it is a job. It is a job with performance expectations and financial and career ramifications.

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by exile I kind of understand. But looking at it more closely the Ravens have only allowed 15pts in the past two games. Take away that first game and they are looking pretty solid. I agree with you. I don't think he was a horrible coach (although he's not the DC for baltimore so it's not really his defense) but I do think he was a horrible fit for us.
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09-26-2013, 12:58 PM	#9
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah. Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense. Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense. I love it when these people are made to look stupid. I don't think it's necessarily being a better fit for a 3-4 vs a 4-3, although that is part of the improvement. The Saints have gotten a lot of pressure on passing downs rushing 4 without blitzing (in other words, playing 4 down defensive linemen); and a team can expect to be in "base" defense only about 30% of the time. I really think a talent infusion has a lot to do with the improvement. John Jenkins in the middle; Junior Galette being a "starter" rather than a situational player, Tyrunn Walker (who had no snaps last season, and was inactive for 15 of the 16 games) and Glenn Foster rotating in and getting push; Keenan Lewis covering on the back end; and, of course, Kenny Vaccaro. And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed. Boutte likes this.

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SaintnDE 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 443	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by the-commish And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed. Between him and Vacarro, I don't know who fires them up the most...but whomever it is, keep rockin' it. I spent the last two days rewatching the game on NFL rewind just to watch the defense. When the hell was that last time that happened?!?!? Rugby Saint II likes this.
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