2014 The year of the make over?

Audiotom · 12-14-2013, 01:18 PM

Drew is making a gazillion dollars in advertizing
I never liked his holdout deal
Felt it just wasn't like his character

Tell your agent to take a hike
Give most of it back and line up a super bowl roster for the ages

Rugby Saint II · 12-14-2013, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Deal with it.

It's not like I have a choice.

alleycat_126 · 12-14-2013, 02:53 PM

Incoherent rambling from dentist chair, extraction.... Will smith, vilma, shouldn't have been brought back this year but its not our call, Jabari has never played a fully healthy season but this year was just real unfortunate he's gone with smith and vilma. Put Jenkins on that bus to there's no where to place him where he is not vunerale. Restructure Harper if he's staying, restructure on Brees, franchise jimmy and pray that Brees can talk him into signing. Again incoherent but those are my first thoughts on the subject

foreverfan · 12-14-2013, 03:50 PM

How much would cutting Tom Benson save? I mean we got Rita and he's overbthe hill.

Mr.Riaton · 12-14-2013, 04:08 PM

We also have P.Rob who was looking pretty good this year b4 he went down. I would like to see us pick up a top corner in FA and move White to saftey. If we go that route,we can definitely let Greer and Harper walk. Not sure if that would work out,but on paper,that looks like a hell of a secondary matched up with a bad ass D line!

SaintLeonard · 12-14-2013, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

We also have P.Rob who was looking pretty good this year b4 he went down. I would like to see us pick up a top corner in FA and move White to saftey. If we go that route,we can definitely let Greer and Harper walk.

I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL)
As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB.

What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo.

Jack Vegas · 12-14-2013, 04:33 PM

I like White at corner but with his tackling/hitting I do think he would make a pretty good safety who can cover man-on-man better than most safeties. Imagine White and Vacarro back there with Lewis/Greer/Robinson as the corners. That could be a really good group.

Mr.Riaton · 12-14-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL)
As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB.

What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo.

I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV

SaintLeonard · 12-14-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV

White has started three games:

Vs ATL - He was really bad in the first half, but in the second half, he really tightened up his coverage.
The WR he was covering against ATL was Darius Johnson. I don't think he allowed a reception that whole second half, I could very well be wrong on that though.

I am not sure how he performed against Seattle. To be honest, I was too aggravated at how that game was turning out to make judgements on individual players.

Against Carolina, he didn't allow a single reception all game according to profootballfocus.

Depending on how he played vs Seattle, he could be considered lockdown since becoming a starter. If he didn't really play that well vs Seattle though, then he's just a young player with a bright future which is completely fine.

Does anybody here have a profootballfocus subscription? If so, would you please tell me how Corey White performed that game?

voodooido · 12-14-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Its premature but since we are discussing drafts and free agency ... Why not

These people are free agents: (listing only names I feel notable)
Full List - New Orleans Saints Free Agents - 2014
Jimmy graham
Malcom Jenkins
Zach Strief
Charles Brown
Jed Collins
Parys Haralson
Johnathan Vilma
Joe Morgan
DLP
To resign the free agents you would have to "Find" at least $25M.

Players not preforming to their cap figure (my opinion)
Jabari Greer $6M <- Jury still out but Corey White is handling business.
Will Smith $13M <--Dude will just not go away
Lance More <- Love you Lance but its business and your $5m is difficult to swallow with Stills preforming the way he is and if its between Jimmy graham and you... You would keep Jimmy also. (Lance has no dead money associated)
2014 Cap hits- New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown

Look where we are with out:
Will Smith
Johnathan Vlma
Jabari Greer

Smith, Patrick Robinson will and should be cut.
Restructure Greer, Moore, Grubbs, Evans and Colston. I could see freeing up 25 mil just here.

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alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Incoherent rambling from dentist chair, extraction.... Will smith, vilma, shouldn't have been brought back this year but its not our call, Jabari has never played a fully healthy season but this year was just real unfortunate he's gone with smith and vilma. Put Jenkins on that bus to there's no where to place him where he is not vunerale. Restructure Harper if he's staying, restructure on Brees, franchise jimmy and pray that Brees can talk him into signing. Again incoherent but those are my first thoughts on the subject foreverfan and halloween 65 like this.

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SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton We also have P.Rob who was looking pretty good this year b4 he went down. I would like to see us pick up a top corner in FA and move White to saftey. If we go that route,we can definitely let Greer and Harper walk. I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL) As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB. What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? I like White at corner but with his tackling/hitting I do think he would make a pretty good safety who can cover man-on-man better than most safeties. Imagine White and Vacarro back there with Lewis/Greer/Robinson as the corners. That could be a really good group. papz and Mr.Riaton like this.
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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,246	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard I disagree with moving White to safety. He has been lockdown at corner ever since Greer's injury. (besides the first half against ATL) As the old saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And White is far from broke playing CB. What I think would be a great idea is if we kept Lewis and White at boundry corners, and when Robinson comes back, we let Chris Carr walk in favor of making Robinson our slot corner. That'd work out well for everybody imo. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV

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SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a shut down corner,but he is a pretty good corner who seems to have a good future. I would still like to see him at corner,but primarily at safety along with Bush and KV White has started three games: Vs ATL - He was really bad in the first half, but in the second half, he really tightened up his coverage. The WR he was covering against ATL was Darius Johnson. I don't think he allowed a reception that whole second half, I could very well be wrong on that though. I am not sure how he performed against Seattle. To be honest, I was too aggravated at how that game was turning out to make judgements on individual players. Against Carolina, he didn't allow a single reception all game according to profootballfocus. Depending on how he played vs Seattle, he could be considered lockdown since becoming a starter. If he didn't really play that well vs Seattle though, then he's just a young player with a bright future which is completely fine. Does anybody here have a profootballfocus subscription? If so, would you please tell me how Corey White performed that game?

12-14-2013, 09:06 PM	#30
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,739	Re: 2014 The year of the make over? Originally Posted by TheOak Its premature but since we are discussing drafts and free agency ... Why not These people are free agents: (listing only names I feel notable) Full List - New Orleans Saints Free Agents - 2014 Jimmy graham Malcom Jenkins Zach Strief Charles Brown Jed Collins Parys Haralson Johnathan Vilma Joe Morgan DLP To resign the free agents you would have to "Find" at least $25M. Players not preforming to their cap figure (my opinion) Jabari Greer $6M <- Jury still out but Corey White is handling business. Will Smith $13M <--Dude will just not go away Lance More <- Love you Lance but its business and your $5m is difficult to swallow with Stills preforming the way he is and if its between Jimmy graham and you... You would keep Jimmy also. (Lance has no dead money associated) 2014 Cap hits- New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown Look where we are with out: Will Smith Johnathan Vlma Jabari Greer Smith, Patrick Robinson will and should be cut. Restructure Greer, Moore, Grubbs, Evans and Colston. I could see freeing up 25 mil just here.
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