Its not THAT bad

gulfgambler · 09-07-2014, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It was working in the first half; not sure what happened after that...

How bout 313 yards passing in 2nd half???????????????????

|Mitch| · 09-07-2014, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by gulfgambler

How bout 313 yards passing in 2nd half???????????????????

How about only 10 points in the first half?????????????????????

blackangold · 09-07-2014, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual.

You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2...

You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense.

That worked real well didn't it... oh wait...

You sure as hell don't let fast WR get clean breaks off the line. Bump and run is how you beat guys like Jones. Should have played press-man with a single high safety and a robber safety underneath. That's what worked last year...

blackangold · 09-07-2014, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

You need to keep your day job and leave the coaching to the coaches. There is nothing "west coast" about the Falcons. They have a vertical offense, just like we do.

Nothing west-coast about the falcons... your joking right?

They are known for the dink and dunk passing game...

saintsfan403 · 09-07-2014, 10:16 PM

Here's how you deal with Julio: have your corners jam the sh*t out of him at the line and disrupt his routes/timing so your pass rush can get there. Remember what we did to Dez Bryant when we played the cowboys last year? We had a safety and a corner jam him and he couldn't get off the line. Had today's plan neutralized either Julio or Roddy White, we might have won but we switched to that scheme at the end of the first half and that's when we started giving up huge plays.

SaintLeonard · 09-07-2014, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree...

However, our D-line was a strength last year and right now they look weak.

Beyond that I have to question some of the schemes. Having your safeties play 40 yds off against a west-coast offense??? Additionally the CBs were playing 10-15 yds off most of the game. If we don't press the WR at the line it's going to be a long day. Last year we played almost nothing but press coverage and it worked well.

I, for one, thought Atlanta's offensive line looked mightily improved.
Jake Matthews is a stud at left tackle, as is Jon Asamoah at guard. Mike Tice as an offensive line coach also seems to be a good hire for them.

I agree that our pass rush this game was lacking, but I also think Atlanta isn't the same team they were last year.

OldMaid · 09-07-2014, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

We will look back on this loss and it will be one of the reasons we fell short

YES, it was an L today. A big, hard L to a division team today.

NO!!!

I HOPE it does not come to that in late December.
5 more division games to go. ALL must wins!!! ALL really potential W's for Saints if they Just Do It!!

Onward, upward!!!
ArlFal rematch Dec. 20.

Off to ClevBrwns for next week.

saintsfan403 · 09-07-2014, 10:44 PM

I honestly think Atlanta will fall by the end of the season. Their line was ok, but Ryan was flushed out quite a bit, we just couldn't bring him down. Their defense looked awful too. It wasn't like they dominated this game, I could see them hitting a wall against any team with a half decent pass rush while they get carved up defensively.

jeanpierre · 09-07-2014, 11:07 PM

Premature Contract. Don't like keep aging defensive veterans paying them so that they're locked in (see LBs Lofton, Hawthorne)...

He got the majority of snaps because of his new contract; Tyrunn Walker outplayed Galette on one play...

We needed more of Walker's physical style of play and he was the only one who gave it in the front seven...

Galette is going to be Will Smith 2.0; it doesn't matter how much you pay, a turd is still a turd...

Galette is a one-trick pony, at best, who got beat physically by a back up linemen...

Ryan should have rotated more of the front seven to keep 'em fresh and to geaux with the hot hand(s)...

jeanpierre · 09-07-2014, 11:12 PM

This team should win this division; but that defensive effort will get them ten wins at best...

Payton must run the ball more than pass to instill a physical persona for this team in a physical game...

Running the ball will also limited the exposure of this defense until they can figure things out...

Parcells won with those Giants teams not only because he had Lawrence Taylor, but because he understood at the end of the day you can beat a talented offense (49ers) with physical, punishing football...

09-07-2014, 08:30 PM	#31
gulfgambler Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tomball Posts: 1,095	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It was working in the first half; not sure what happened after that... How bout 313 yards passing in 2nd half???????????????????

09-07-2014, 08:30 PM	#32
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by gulfgambler How bout 313 yards passing in 2nd half??????????????????? How about only 10 points in the first half?????????????????????

09-07-2014, 09:52 PM	#33
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| And let's try and understand why our safeties were lining up deeper than usual. You have Julio Jones who runs a 4.2, Hester who is really quick, Jaquizz Rodgers who is 4.2... You play back and limit the big play, giving your defense more opportunities to make plays; it's called a bend but don't break defense. That worked real well didn't it... oh wait... You sure as hell don't let fast WR get clean breaks off the line. Bump and run is how you beat guys like Jones. Should have played press-man with a single high safety and a robber safety underneath. That's what worked last year...

09-07-2014, 09:54 PM	#34
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| You need to keep your day job and leave the coaching to the coaches. There is nothing "west coast" about the Falcons. They have a vertical offense, just like we do. Nothing west-coast about the falcons... your joking right? They are known for the dink and dunk passing game...

09-07-2014, 10:16 PM	#35
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Its not THAT bad Here's how you deal with Julio: have your corners jam the sh*t out of him at the line and disrupt his routes/timing so your pass rush can get there. Remember what we did to Dez Bryant when we played the cowboys last year? We had a safety and a corner jam him and he couldn't get off the line. Had today's plan neutralized either Julio or Roddy White, we might have won but we switched to that scheme at the end of the first half and that's when we started giving up huge plays. OldMaid likes this.

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09-07-2014, 10:21 PM	#36
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by blackangold I agree... However, our D-line was a strength last year and right now they look weak. Beyond that I have to question some of the schemes. Having your safeties play 40 yds off against a west-coast offense??? Additionally the CBs were playing 10-15 yds off most of the game. If we don't press the WR at the line it's going to be a long day. Last year we played almost nothing but press coverage and it worked well. I, for one, thought Atlanta's offensive line looked mightily improved. Jake Matthews is a stud at left tackle, as is Jon Asamoah at guard. Mike Tice as an offensive line coach also seems to be a good hire for them. I agree that our pass rush this game was lacking, but I also think Atlanta isn't the same team they were last year. TheKillerBs likes this.

09-07-2014, 10:34 PM	#37
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,818 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Its not THAT bad Originally Posted by arsaint We will look back on this loss and it will be one of the reasons we fell short YES, it was an L today. A big, hard L to a division team today. NO!!! I HOPE it does not come to that in late December. 5 more division games to go. ALL must wins!!! ALL really potential W's for Saints if they Just Do It!! Onward, upward!!! ArlFal rematch Dec. 20. Off to ClevBrwns for next week.

09-07-2014, 10:44 PM	#38
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Its not THAT bad I honestly think Atlanta will fall by the end of the season. Their line was ok, but Ryan was flushed out quite a bit, we just couldn't bring him down. Their defense looked awful too. It wasn't like they dominated this game, I could see them hitting a wall against any team with a half decent pass rush while they get carved up defensively.

09-07-2014, 11:07 PM	#39
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Its not THAT bad Twitter Premature Contract. Don't like keep aging defensive veterans paying them so that they're locked in (see LBs Lofton, Hawthorne)... He got the majority of snaps because of his new contract; Tyrunn Walker outplayed Galette on one play... We needed more of Walker's physical style of play and he was the only one who gave it in the front seven... Galette is going to be Will Smith 2.0; it doesn't matter how much you pay, a turd is still a turd... Galette is a one-trick pony, at best, who got beat physically by a back up linemen... Ryan should have rotated more of the front seven to keep 'em fresh and to geaux with the hot hand(s)...
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09-07-2014, 11:12 PM	#40
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Its not THAT bad This team should win this division; but that defensive effort will get them ten wins at best... Payton must run the ball more than pass to instill a physical persona for this team in a physical game... Running the ball will also limited the exposure of this defense until they can figure things out... Parcells won with those Giants teams not only because he had Lawrence Taylor, but because he understood at the end of the day you can beat a talented offense (49ers) with physical, punishing football...

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