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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by homerj07 Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair. I blame Both Loomis and Payton. I don't ...

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Originally Posted by homerj07 View Post
Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.
I blame Both Loomis and Payton. I don't think anyone is brought in or let go without input from Sean. But Loomis is responsible for making sure things make financial sense. He's been really up and down with that for his entire tenure with us.

People forget the pre-Payton/Brees years with Loomis. I frankly couldn't stand him then, and thought he was horrible. Then Payton and Brees get here and suddenly things were looking up. He did make some nice moves during that period, but I don't think we would have gotten Brees if it weren't for his injury. We were very fortunate.

Payton is a good coach. I'm not looking for him to be fired. I just think between he and Loomis, they have gotten sloppy with personnel decisions. Loomis has always been a bit overrated. Having an elite QB makes a lot of people look smart.
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Originally Posted by homerj07 View Post
Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.
Homer, he's the GM and the end of the day, the buck stops with him....

It's about leadership, and if he's rubberstamping all these moves then he's useless all the same...
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QB - Great. If Brees goes down, just like any other franchise QB, it's not good.
RB - Stacked. Ingram and Robinson are ready. Murphy is a legit returner.
FB - Does it matter? As good as any for a little used NFL position.
WR - Good with potential. Cooks could be all-pro. Snead will make plays and move the chains. Coleman is a wildcard that I think will shine.
TE - Sneaky productive. Neither will be flashy but will get some first down and contribute in the run game. No dunks but this ain't hoops.
OL - Solid. Quality backups in Peat and Kelemete.

DL - Underachieving. Talent is there. Production hasn't been so far. Williams will be solid on the field and a leader overall. I expect improvement.
LB - Promising. Anthony has the skills. Kikaha has a big motor. They will make plays.
CB - New. The word is out on being improved. Browner is solid. Breaux looks the part. Swann has potential. Lewis needs to get well. Just like every other teams 4th and 5th CB's, Dixon and Wilson will hopefully make a special teams play or two and not get toasted.
S - SSDD. Not impressed. The running joke on the message boards continues.
P - All-Pro.
K - Believe. I think the Saints have found their guy.

Coaching - I thought Payton lost the team last year. Having my doubts if he can regain it. Would Ryan be in the NFL if his name wasn't Ryan?
Front office - They have whiffed on some drafts and have given out some bad contracts. Both are an inexact science. But, their grade is low.

A win in Arizona is big. And very doable.
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This suprizes me also. I'm pi$$ed over Bush kept being over Warren the most, why? Bush besides an ocassional cheap shot on a WR. has done absolutely nothing. And now Phillips. Our D want get fixed with management and coaches making stupid moves like this, or drafting the way they do. We will always underachieve this way. A good D to go along with the last 6 seasons of a Brees led O and we would have raised more than 1 Superbowl trophy, good possibility at least 3 more.
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Originally Posted by Danno View Post
I think this was intentionally done to help sneak Mabry through waivers.

There's a better chance of him clearing a 2nd wave of waivers since many teams addressed their need on that 1st wave of cuts.

It may not work, but it just might. If we get him on the PS we can keep him.

Philips will likely be back after week 1 when his salary isn't fully guaranteed. He'll be a week to week cap hit.
I forgot about the guaranteed contract and the gamble does make sense. Thanks for reminding me.
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Originally Posted by homerj07 View Post
Does Loomis make these decisions? Who does? Is it SP? I don't think blaming any one person is right... But blaming several of them, well that seems fair.
It's the general manager job to have scouts in place to make those decisions and 2014 was a bad draft that plenty of fans seen. My biggest complaint about those picks were that a lot of them were injured and SJB was a project with 2nd rd pick, even Seattle didn't take such a gamble on Richard Sherman with a 2nd rd pick, Loomis need to stick what he is best at and that's being a bean counter. He said last year he make those pick and sometimes him and Payton get in heated debated on picks but he have the final say. The guy is smart, knowing his talent of making picks are so weak that he tried to intertwine his contract with Payton but the league refused the contract which had us all sweating that the Cowboys were going to swoop up and sign Payton away
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So far so good, no one has claimed Mabry or Warren yet. Fingers crossed
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 View Post
This suprizes me also. I'm pi$$ed over Bush kept being over Warren the most, why? Bush besides an ocassional cheap shot on a WR. has done absolutely nothing. And now Phillips. Our D want get fixed with management and coaches making stupid moves like this, or drafting the way they do. We will always underachieve this way. A good D to go along with the last 6 seasons of a Brees led O and we would have raised more than 1 Superbowl trophy, good possibility at least 3 more.
It should be noted that Warren was our first cut, and not only did 31 teams pass on claiming him at NFL minimum, but not one team has signed him to their practice squad, yet.

Maybe he just isn't as good as we think.
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More proof of the "No Plan" plan.
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More proof of the "No Plan" plan.
How so?
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