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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by dizzle88 So I give my opinion, none of it being harsh or anyway rude towards you and what do you do? You come back with a message filled with self satisfaction and make it verbally abusive to ...

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Old 06-04-2016, 02:21 PM   #11
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Re: Garrett Grayson's poise, control showing improvement in second season

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So I give my opinion, none of it being harsh or anyway rude towards you and what do you do?

You come back with a message filled with self satisfaction and make it verbally abusive to the point where now I "don't have clue" what I'm talking about.

Congratulations buddy, hope being a keyboard warrior makes you feel powerful.
Oh, and one more thing I need to repeat. Brees has NEVER held the team to ransom as you blatantly stated. What do you have to say about that? Well?

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Old 06-04-2016, 02:28 PM   #12
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Oh, and one more thing I need to repeat. Brees has NEVER held the team to ransom as you blatantly stated. What do you have to say about that? Well?

Carl Nick's had the right be payed as the best guard in the league as he was at that point, Brees counter offered several of the teams offers making it impossible to pay Carl Nicks what he deserved.

We replaced him with Ben Grubbs which was nowhere near the same talent level as the one we had just lost.

You should work on your people skills, I've read several users saying you undermine their opinions and frankly I feel the same way.
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Old 06-04-2016, 02:39 PM   #13
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Carl Nick's had the right be payed as the best guard in the league as he was at that point, Brees counter offered several of the teams offers making it impossible to pay Carl Nicks what he deserved.

We replaced him with Ben Grubbs which was nowhere near the same talent level as the one we had just lost.
Once again, where do you get the idea that the Brees deal had anything whatsoever to do with not stepping up to what Nicks was demanding? The way the cap can be manipulated by someone with Loomis' expertise they could have easily paid Nicks what he was demanding. Has it ever occurred to you that it was Nicks that was attempting to hold the Saints ransom? By definition that is exactly what he was doing. Why should the Saints feel they should have to pay him more than they thought he was worth?

I'll answer my first question for you. You read that it was Brees' fault that Nicks wasn't signed, right? You read it from other members that claimed the same, right? To blame this on Brees, far and away the most valuable player on the roster, for getting what turned out to be no more than an average sized contract is totally misguided. I repeat. You do not have a clue. That is not an insult. It is a simple statement of fact.
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Old 06-04-2016, 02:51 PM   #14
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Once again, where do you get the idea that the Brees deal had anything whatsoever to do with not stepping up to what Nicks was demanding? The way the cap can be manipulated by someone with Loomis' expertise they could have easily paid Nicks what he was demanding. Has it ever occurred to you that it was Nicks that was attempting to hold the Saints ransom? By definition that is exactly what he was doing. Why should the Saints feel they should have to pay him more than they thought he was worth?

I'll answer my first question for you. You read that it was Brees' fault that Nicks wasn't signed, right? You read it from other members that claimed the same, right? To blame this on Brees, far and away the most valuable player on the roster, for getting what turned out to be no more than an average sized contract is totally misguided. I repeat. You do not have a clue. That is not an insult. It is a simple statement of fact.
In all fairness, I'd take your posts seriously if they weren't delivered in the way that they are. There's no need to undermine people and their opinions, as well as verbally attacking them for their opinions.

Anyway I'm done with the disagreement.
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Old 06-04-2016, 02:57 PM   #15
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Brees counter offered several of the teams offers making it impossible to pay Carl Nicks what he deserved.
Okay, this just finally jumped out at me. Where did you get the idea that Brees counter offered, or even openly refused, any of the Saints offers? First of all, what difference does it make if there were counter offers? That is the definition of negotiating. And even if there were, how would that in anyway prevent the Saints from knuckling under to the demands of Nicks' agent? And were you in the room while that negotiating was taking place, or did you once again base it all on presumptuous articles by media members and other fans following the media lemmings over the cliff?

Are you getting the theme of this conversation?
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:02 PM   #16
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Okay, this just finally jumped out at me. Where did you get the idea that Brees counter offered, or even openly refused, any of the Saints offers? First of all, what difference does it make if there were counter offers? That is the definition of negotiating. And even if there were, how would that in anyway prevent the Saints from knuckling under to the demands of Nicks' agent? And were you in the room while that negotiating was taking place, or did you once again base it all on presumptuous articles by media members and other fans following the media lemmings over the cliff?

Are you getting the theme of this conversation?
Read the last message I posted which said that your posts aren't taken seriously and I'm done with the disagreement, as I don't respect the way you speak to people.
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In all fairness, I'd take your posts seriously if they weren't delivered in the way that they are. There's no need to undermine people and their opinions, as well as verbally attacking them for their opinions.

Anyway I'm done with the disagreement.
I would gladly accept your opinion if it truly was your opinion. What I am hearing are old excuses based upon no supporting fact whatsoever which have been circulated by hacks upon which you claim you are basing your opinion. All I am asking is instead of being one of the lemmings, try looking at things logically.
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Read the last message I posted which said that your posts aren't taken seriously and I'm done with the disagreement, as I don't respect the way you speak to people.
And perhaps you can understand the way all of the others of us do not respect the constant denigration of Brees. It is a two way street, buddy.

And I would have loved to have read your answers to the questions I asked in the post to this response.
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I want to see how he handles himself running the offense in the preseason. Preferably against a #1 defense at some point.
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Carl Nick's had the right be payed as the best guard in the league as he was at that point, Brees counter offered several of the teams offers making it impossible to pay Carl Nicks what he deserved.
Thats not how I remembered it at all.

We could have franchised Nicks and kept him here, but since a deal wasn't done with Brees we had to franchise Brees and were then unable to keep Nicks.

We also offered "nearly" the same money as Tampa did, but he left for a few dollars more.

I love me some Drew Brees, but his (Condon's) prolonged negotiations cost us Carl Nicks.
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