Brees has NEVER held the team to ransom. Where the heck are you getting that idea? He originally signed a 6 year $60M contract which even at the time was low. His next, and last, deal was for five years at $20M per year which very quickly became no more than average for the average starter in the league.

And it appears that you have no clue what that whole last contract year was all about. It has been explained on this site by myself and others dozens of times. The entire ordeal had nothing whatsoever to do with the contract terms. It all came down to the NFLPA and the league fighting over the definition of a second franchise tag. Brees was simply the Guinea pig in the case. Within one week after the case was resolved Brees was signed. It had nothing to do with his playing any sort of hardball. He got what he deserved and no more.

And it does not matter in the least what kind of deal sounds right to you. You are not involved and have nowhere near enough knowledge on the financial or personnel related issue as to when, why or what will eventually take place. NONE of us do. You have clearly been brainwashed as to the importance of any single contract on the ability of a franchise to make other deals by the media, of whom I can testify personally are infinitely less qualified in matters of finance than your average middle income individual, or by other fans who rely upon what that media feeds them.

So I give my opinion, none of it being harsh or anyway rude towards you and what do you do?

You come back with a message filled with self satisfaction and make it verbally abusive to the point where now I "don't have clue" what I'm talking about.

Congratulations buddy, hope being a keyboard warrior makes you feel powerful.

he has to accept that the defense needs upgrading

So I give my opinion, none of it being harsh or anyway rude towards you and what do you do?

You come back with a message filled with self satisfaction and make it verbally abusive to the point where now I "don't have clue" what I'm talking about.

Congratulations buddy, hope being a keyboard warrior makes you feel powerful.

Oh, and one more thing I need to repeat. Brees has NEVER held the team to ransom as you blatantly stated. What do you have to say about that? Well?

Carl Nick's had the right be payed as the best guard in the league as he was at that point, Brees counter offered several of the teams offers making it impossible to pay Carl Nicks what he deserved.

We replaced him with Ben Grubbs which was nowhere near the same talent level as the one we had just lost.

Once again, where do you get the idea that the Brees deal had anything whatsoever to do with not stepping up to what Nicks was demanding? The way the cap can be manipulated by someone with Loomis' expertise they could have easily paid Nicks what he was demanding. Has it ever occurred to you that it was Nicks that was attempting to hold the Saints ransom? By definition that is exactly what he was doing. Why should the Saints feel they should have to pay him more than they thought he was worth?

I'll answer my first question for you. You read that it was Brees' fault that Nicks wasn't signed, right? You read it from other members that claimed the same, right? To blame this on Brees, far and away the most valuable player on the roster, for getting what turned out to be no more than an average sized contract is totally misguided. I repeat. You do not have a clue. That is not an insult. It is a simple statement of fact.

In all fairness, I'd take your posts seriously if they weren't delivered in the way that they are. There's no need to undermine people and their opinions, as well as verbally attacking them for their opinions.

Anyway I'm done with the disagreement.

Brees counter offered several of the teams offers making it impossible to pay Carl Nicks what he deserved.

Okay, this just finally jumped out at me. Where did you get the idea that Brees counter offered, or even openly refused, any of the Saints offers? First of all, what difference does it make if there were counter offers? That is the definition of negotiating. And even if there were, how would that in anyway prevent the Saints from knuckling under to the demands of Nicks' agent? And were you in the room while that negotiating was taking place, or did you once again base it all on presumptuous articles by media members and other fans following the media lemmings over the cliff?

Are you getting the theme of this conversation?