Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut

Thirty3 · 12-25-2016, 11:01 AM

I agree with Guido.

K Major · 12-25-2016, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Finally, the Ball Hawk we've been looking for! It's about time!!!

Me too but if you've watched closely, Byrd has been playing good football the last 3, 4 weeks. As previous posters have said ... he's appears to be healthy.

K Major · 12-25-2016, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Let Washington or Miami overpay for him...

Wouldn't even mind if he went to the Falcons and Brees & Co. torched him there...

...probably what's gonna happen anyways...

I'm not so sure about that on JP. Sean and Dennis often talk about consistency and keeping guys together/not adjusting scheme. You already know what happens when we remove guys from the back end to insert new players (see year 2014).

Wk 9 - highest grade on team (according to PFF)
Wk 12 - JB was rated 5th on team (with Kenny V)
Wk 13 - JB was rated 3rd best on team
Wk 14 - JB was rated 4th best on team

As you can see, he has been solid since the mid mark of the season. DA has figured out something (3 safety sets). It's more beneficial to keep him (work out a restructure), and keep him another year. Under the circumstances I think DA has done a good job of putting players in position to make plays. Maybe this off season the FO adds another corner back so only another player is having to learn the system, then double down on the three safety set & also add a top tier pass rusher.

It's pretty clear he was injured and was playing on a bad ... historically bad defense ever a year or so ago. Now that we are decent, so is Byrd. I don't think this is coincidence. Cutting him in 2017 doesn't make sense but 2018 does.

No way I'd let Byrd walk over 3.5M or so. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hate the contract ... not the player.

dizzle88 · 12-25-2016, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm not so sure about that on JP. Sean and Dennis often talk about consistency and keeping guys together/not adjusting scheme. You already know what happens when we remove guys from the back end to insert new players (see year 2014).

Wk 9 - highest grade on team (according to PFF)
Wk 12 - JB was rated 5th on team (with Kenny V)
Wk 13 - JB was rated 3rd best on team
Wk 14 - JB was rated 4th best on team

As you can see, he has been solid since the mid mark of the season. DA has figured out something (3 safety sets). It's more beneficial to keep him (work out a restructure), and keep him another year. Under the circumstances I think DA has done a good job of putting players in position to make plays. Maybe this off season the FO adds another corner back so only another player is having to learn the system, then double down on the three safety set & also add a top tier pass rusher.

It's pretty clear he was injured and was playing on a bad ... historically bad defense ever a year or so ago. Now that we are decent, so is Byrd. I don't think this is coincidence. Cutting him in 2017 doesn't make sense but 2018 does.

No way I'd let Byrd walk over 3.5M or so. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hate the contract ... not the player.

Byrd has been playing better this season and I like how when he got benched in favour of Vonn Bell, he didn't complain, he just mentored Vonn Bell whenever he came to the sideline.

jeanpierre · 12-26-2016, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm not so sure about that on JP. Sean and Dennis often talk about consistency and keeping guys together/not adjusting scheme. You already know what happens when we remove guys from the back end to insert new players (see year 2014).

Wk 9 - highest grade on team (according to PFF)
Wk 12 - JB was rated 5th on team (with Kenny V)
Wk 13 - JB was rated 3rd best on team
Wk 14 - JB was rated 4th best on team

As you can see, he has been solid since the mid mark of the season. DA has figured out something (3 safety sets). It's more beneficial to keep him (work out a restructure), and keep him another year. Under the circumstances I think DA has done a good job of putting players in position to make plays. Maybe this off season the FO adds another corner back so only another player is having to learn the system, then double down on the three safety set & also add a top tier pass rusher.

It's pretty clear he was injured and was playing on a bad ... historically bad defense ever a year or so ago. Now that we are decent, so is Byrd. I don't think this is coincidence. Cutting him in 2017 doesn't make sense but 2018 does.

No way I'd let Byrd walk over 3.5M or so. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hate the contract ... not the player.

I'm not buying it, not one bit...Two games to go in the season and he shows up?

Gotta look at the whole tenure, injuries and all...He was not available for most of the time he's been here...Payton was even frustrated, questioning it last season...

And Kenny V, a player with less time in the league, had to finally call him out...

Walks like duck, quacks like a duck...they're better safeties available for less...

And if the secondary looked better, it was because we finally had a pass rush and a MIKE that could cover...

Audiotom · 12-26-2016, 08:33 PM

He has been so out of position, gets turned around, doesn't show up

Cornerbakcs expect coverage over the top

ChrisXVI · 12-26-2016, 08:55 PM

I'm pretty ready to get rid of Byrd myself. However, I don't know if you guys have noticed or not but Vonn Bell has been downright awful in deep zone coverage. He's been way better in more of a strong safety role.

jonnyrotten · 12-26-2016, 09:25 PM

Hilarious! Byrd needs to be thrown out with the trash cause thats how he has played since he has been here.

Guy plays half decent for two games and now he is a keeper.... unreal.

K Major · 12-26-2016, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten

Guy plays half decent for two games and now he is a keeper.... unreal.

Byrd hasn't been spectacular by any means but given the anemic pass rush and corner back "situation", I think he's been fine. Kind of hard to be a ball hawk early in the season when he has Ken Crawley & Webb @ the boundary CB spot.

Better be certain you have a viable, capable FS to take over if Byrd departs next season.

jonnyrotten · 12-27-2016, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Byrd hasn't been spectacular by any means but given the anemic pass rush and corner back "situation", I think he's been fine. Kind of hard to be a ball hawk early in the season when he has Ken Crawley & Webb @ the boundary CB spot.

Better be certain you have a viable, capable FS to take over if Byrd departs next season.

Byrd has been a pylon in the secondary for 3 years, which seems as though everyone is forgetting because he actually got a couple INT's for the first time. Whoopty do!

Just this year announcers were criticizing him for being a complete liability. This is the exact same situation as Browner, the only difference is the team crapped the bed worse with the contract.

12-25-2016, 11:01 AM	#11
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12-25-2016, 01:01 PM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,053 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut Originally Posted by leilung Finally, the Ball Hawk we've been looking for! It's about time!!! Me too but if you've watched closely, Byrd has been playing good football the last 3, 4 weeks. As previous posters have said ... he's appears to be healthy. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

12-25-2016, 01:29 PM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,053 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut Originally Posted by jeanpierre Let Washington or Miami overpay for him... Wouldn't even mind if he went to the Falcons and Brees & Co. torched him there... ...probably what's gonna happen anyways... I'm not so sure about that on JP. Sean and Dennis often talk about consistency and keeping guys together/not adjusting scheme. You already know what happens when we remove guys from the back end to insert new players (see year 2014). Wk 9 - highest grade on team (according to PFF) Wk 12 - JB was rated 5th on team (with Kenny V) Wk 13 - JB was rated 3rd best on team Wk 14 - JB was rated 4th best on team As you can see, he has been solid since the mid mark of the season. DA has figured out something (3 safety sets). It's more beneficial to keep him (work out a restructure), and keep him another year. Under the circumstances I think DA has done a good job of putting players in position to make plays. Maybe this off season the FO adds another corner back so only another player is having to learn the system, then double down on the three safety set & also add a top tier pass rusher. It's pretty clear he was injured and was playing on a bad ... historically bad defense ever a year or so ago. Now that we are decent, so is Byrd. I don't think this is coincidence. Cutting him in 2017 doesn't make sense but 2018 does. No way I'd let Byrd walk over 3.5M or so. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hate the contract ... not the player. RockyMountainSaint, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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12-25-2016, 03:15 PM	#14
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut Originally Posted by K Major I'm not so sure about that on JP. Sean and Dennis often talk about consistency and keeping guys together/not adjusting scheme. You already know what happens when we remove guys from the back end to insert new players (see year 2014). Wk 9 - highest grade on team (according to PFF) Wk 12 - JB was rated 5th on team (with Kenny V) Wk 13 - JB was rated 3rd best on team Wk 14 - JB was rated 4th best on team As you can see, he has been solid since the mid mark of the season. DA has figured out something (3 safety sets). It's more beneficial to keep him (work out a restructure), and keep him another year. Under the circumstances I think DA has done a good job of putting players in position to make plays. Maybe this off season the FO adds another corner back so only another player is having to learn the system, then double down on the three safety set & also add a top tier pass rusher. It's pretty clear he was injured and was playing on a bad ... historically bad defense ever a year or so ago. Now that we are decent, so is Byrd. I don't think this is coincidence. Cutting him in 2017 doesn't make sense but 2018 does. No way I'd let Byrd walk over 3.5M or so. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hate the contract ... not the player. Byrd has been playing better this season and I like how when he got benched in favour of Vonn Bell, he didn't complain, he just mentored Vonn Bell whenever he came to the sideline. spkb25, RockyMountainSaint and SmashMouth like this.

12-26-2016, 04:54 PM	#15
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut Originally Posted by K Major I'm not so sure about that on JP. Sean and Dennis often talk about consistency and keeping guys together/not adjusting scheme. You already know what happens when we remove guys from the back end to insert new players (see year 2014). Wk 9 - highest grade on team (according to PFF) Wk 12 - JB was rated 5th on team (with Kenny V) Wk 13 - JB was rated 3rd best on team Wk 14 - JB was rated 4th best on team As you can see, he has been solid since the mid mark of the season. DA has figured out something (3 safety sets). It's more beneficial to keep him (work out a restructure), and keep him another year. Under the circumstances I think DA has done a good job of putting players in position to make plays. Maybe this off season the FO adds another corner back so only another player is having to learn the system, then double down on the three safety set & also add a top tier pass rusher. It's pretty clear he was injured and was playing on a bad ... historically bad defense ever a year or so ago. Now that we are decent, so is Byrd. I don't think this is coincidence. Cutting him in 2017 doesn't make sense but 2018 does. No way I'd let Byrd walk over 3.5M or so. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hate the contract ... not the player. I'm not buying it, not one bit...Two games to go in the season and he shows up? Gotta look at the whole tenure, injuries and all...He was not available for most of the time he's been here...Payton was even frustrated, questioning it last season... And Kenny V, a player with less time in the league, had to finally call him out... Walks like duck, quacks like a duck...they're better safeties available for less... And if the secondary looked better, it was because we finally had a pass rush and a MIKE that could cover... jonnyrotten and Barry from MS like this.
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12-26-2016, 08:33 PM	#16
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut He has been so out of position, gets turned around, doesn't show up Cornerbakcs expect coverage over the top

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut I'm pretty ready to get rid of Byrd myself. However, I don't know if you guys have noticed or not but Vonn Bell has been downright awful in deep zone coverage. He's been way better in more of a strong safety role. halloween 65 likes this.

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jonnyrotten 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut Hilarious! Byrd needs to be thrown out with the trash cause thats how he has played since he has been here. Guy plays half decent for two games and now he is a keeper.... unreal.

12-26-2016, 09:56 PM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,053 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut Originally Posted by jonnyrotten Guy plays half decent for two games and now he is a keeper.... unreal. Byrd hasn't been spectacular by any means but given the anemic pass rush and corner back "situation", I think he's been fine. Kind of hard to be a ball hawk early in the season when he has Ken Crawley & Webb @ the boundary CB spot. Better be certain you have a viable, capable FS to take over if Byrd departs next season. RockyMountainSaint and AsylumGuido like this.

12-27-2016, 09:05 AM	#20
jonnyrotten 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jairus Byrd - playing like he might not want a pay cut Originally Posted by K Major Byrd hasn't been spectacular by any means but given the anemic pass rush and corner back "situation", I think he's been fine. Kind of hard to be a ball hawk early in the season when he has Ken Crawley & Webb @ the boundary CB spot. Better be certain you have a viable, capable FS to take over if Byrd departs next season. Byrd has been a pylon in the secondary for 3 years, which seems as though everyone is forgetting because he actually got a couple INT's for the first time. Whoopty do! Just this year announcers were criticizing him for being a complete liability. This is the exact same situation as Browner, the only difference is the team crapped the bed worse with the contract. Barry from MS and jeanpierre like this.

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