Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two

01-04-2017, 02:49 PM

I in no way shape or form think Allen and the good ole boys are worth a damn as coaches. I'm really amazes people think he is. Every DC out there loses players, every year and to think he puts his players in a position to bring out there talents is thinking wrong. He will be just as bad this season, no upgrade at all with this clown. It's been so long we had a good D I think people forget what one should do.He's just not that good people!!

darksoul35 · 01-04-2017, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I in no way shape or form think Allen and the good ole boys are worth a damn as coaches. I'm really amazes people think he is. Every DC out there loses players, every year and to think he puts his players in a position to bring out there talents is thinking wrong. He will be just as bad this season, no upgrade at all with this clown. It's been so long we had a good D I think people forget what one should do.He's just not that good people!!

I hear what your saying but idk if another defense took half of the injuries that ours did. Especially to key players.

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2017, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I in no way shape or form think Allen and the good ole boys are worth a damn as coaches. I'm really amazes people think he is. Every DC out there loses players, every year and to think he puts his players in a position to bring out there talents is thinking wrong. He will be just as bad this season, no upgrade at all with this clown. It's been so long we had a good D I think people forget what one should do.He's just not that good people!!

I'm not saying that Allen is the answer. I'm just explaining that Payton IS actively working at fixing what is broken. Bringing in Allen was a means to the end. It was a positive move. So was bringing in Jeff Ireland. He also brought in Kevin O'Dea in November to help Lutz with his transition. O'Dea has a ton of experience with kickoff and return squads, as well.

Allen may not be the total cure, but he was a good band-aid at the time.

halloween 65 · 01-04-2017, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm not saying that Allen is the answer. I'm just explaining that Payton IS actively working at fixing what is broken. Bringing in Allen was a means to the end. It was a positive move. So was bringing in Jeff Ireland. He also brought in Kevin O'Dea in November to help Lutz with his transition. O'Dea has a ton of experience with kickoff and return squads, as well.

Allen may not be the total cure, but he was a good band-aid at the time.

My question is why keep trying to patch it when you can fix it with proper coaches? I'm just sick of watching us play bad D. The patch jobs haven't did so well. It's time for a change before we fall into obscurity.

Danno · 01-04-2017, 06:43 PM

Its obvious why 2016 was a bust and why 2017 looks like a boom. I'm tired of explaining it.

NOLA54 · 01-04-2017, 07:25 PM

Let's start a pool on how many loosing seasons Sean will have before he is terminated.

gulfgambler · 01-04-2017, 07:27 PM

This team could use a defensive minded HC w/ DA as DC. Brees and Carmichael can handle offense w/o missing a beat. I'm open tot see how many and how high draft picks we can get for SP and his ridiculous overpaid contract.

44Champs · 01-04-2017, 09:34 PM

I dont think DA did a horrible job. But what ticks me off is that it took SP and Loomis this long to get us to the point where we finally have a young, respectable defense that plays with a lot of pride. They wasted away a great opportunity w the crap players and coaches that they put on the field the several years prior.

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RockyMountainSaint · 01-04-2017, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Personally I feel Payton is fixing it. That's why he got rid of Ryan. Dennis Allen did a very respectable job improving a defense that was arguably the worst in the league the previous two season into one several notches better with patchwork players that will not be anywhere near good enough to make next season's roster with all of the defensive starters that left with injury.

I am seeing growth and improvement. Yes, the record was the same 7-9, but it was a far better team on the field than the previous two seasons.

I felt the same way for most of the season.
I feel that way now.
BUT!!!!!!!
I am really pissed off with another 7-9 record.
Whenever I see 7-9 records for three straight seasons?
Recent logic goes out of the window!
I have to question whether I was thinking logically after the previous two seasons and explained it away.
I only see 7-9 right now.
It doesn't have to be logical.
Im just EXTEMELY TIRED OF 7-9, regardless of the reason it keeps happening.

RockyMountainSaint · 01-04-2017, 10:57 PM

I will beat this dead horse again.
As long as SP keeps his horrible asst coaches that are his buddies?
We will go nowhere!!!!!
Why keep a fossilized coaching staff that doesn't produce?
If they were worth a crap, they would be promoted to another level by some other organization.
SP has NO ONE ON HIS STAFF THAT ANYONE ELSE WANTS!!!!
This is maddening!!!!!!
He should be pushed overboard for this reason alone.
He used to have good assistants but the competent ones are long gone.
Now, we always see the usual suspects 7-9 after 7-9.
I welcome any poster here to dispute or to try and rationalize this point.

01-04-2017, 02:49 PM	#11
Threaded by halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893 Rating: (0 votes - average) I in no way shape or form think Allen and the good ole boys are worth a damn as coaches. I'm really amazes people think he is. Every DC out there loses players, every year and to think he puts his players in a position to bring out there talents is thinking wrong. He will be just as bad this season, no upgrade at all with this clown. It's been so long we had a good D I think people forget what one should do.He's just not that good people!! Halo likes this.
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01-04-2017, 05:24 PM	#12
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,024	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by halloween 65 I in no way shape or form think Allen and the good ole boys are worth a damn as coaches. I'm really amazes people think he is. Every DC out there loses players, every year and to think he puts his players in a position to bring out there talents is thinking wrong. He will be just as bad this season, no upgrade at all with this clown. It's been so long we had a good D I think people forget what one should do.He's just not that good people!! I hear what your saying but idk if another defense took half of the injuries that ours did. Especially to key players.
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01-04-2017, 06:00 PM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by halloween 65 I in no way shape or form think Allen and the good ole boys are worth a damn as coaches. I'm really amazes people think he is. Every DC out there loses players, every year and to think he puts his players in a position to bring out there talents is thinking wrong. He will be just as bad this season, no upgrade at all with this clown. It's been so long we had a good D I think people forget what one should do.He's just not that good people!! I'm not saying that Allen is the answer. I'm just explaining that Payton IS actively working at fixing what is broken. Bringing in Allen was a means to the end. It was a positive move. So was bringing in Jeff Ireland. He also brought in Kevin O'Dea in November to help Lutz with his transition. O'Dea has a ton of experience with kickoff and return squads, as well. Allen may not be the total cure, but he was a good band-aid at the time. Danno and hagan714 like this.

01-04-2017, 06:41 PM	#14
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm not saying that Allen is the answer. I'm just explaining that Payton IS actively working at fixing what is broken. Bringing in Allen was a means to the end. It was a positive move. So was bringing in Jeff Ireland. He also brought in Kevin O'Dea in November to help Lutz with his transition. O'Dea has a ton of experience with kickoff and return squads, as well. Allen may not be the total cure, but he was a good band-aid at the time. My question is why keep trying to patch it when you can fix it with proper coaches? I'm just sick of watching us play bad D. The patch jobs haven't did so well. It's time for a change before we fall into obscurity.

01-04-2017, 06:43 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,648	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Its obvious why 2016 was a bust and why 2017 looks like a boom. I'm tired of explaining it. Halo, hagan714 and foreverfan like this.

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01-04-2017, 07:25 PM	#16
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,701 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Let's start a pool on how many loosing seasons Sean will have before he is terminated. Halo and UK_WhoDat like this.

01-04-2017, 07:27 PM	#17
gulfgambler Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tomball Posts: 1,095	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two This team could use a defensive minded HC w/ DA as DC. Brees and Carmichael can handle offense w/o missing a beat. I'm open tot see how many and how high draft picks we can get for SP and his ridiculous overpaid contract. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

01-04-2017, 09:34 PM	#18
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two I dont think DA did a horrible job. But what ticks me off is that it took SP and Loomis this long to get us to the point where we finally have a young, respectable defense that plays with a lot of pride. They wasted away a great opportunity w the crap players and coaches that they put on the field the several years prior. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk spkb25 likes this.
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01-04-2017, 10:44 PM	#19
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Personally I feel Payton is fixing it. That's why he got rid of Ryan. Dennis Allen did a very respectable job improving a defense that was arguably the worst in the league the previous two season into one several notches better with patchwork players that will not be anywhere near good enough to make next season's roster with all of the defensive starters that left with injury. I am seeing growth and improvement. Yes, the record was the same 7-9, but it was a far better team on the field than the previous two seasons. I felt the same way for most of the season. I feel that way now. BUT!!!!!!! I am really pissed off with another 7-9 record. Whenever I see 7-9 records for three straight seasons? Recent logic goes out of the window! I have to question whether I was thinking logically after the previous two seasons and explained it away. I only see 7-9 right now. It doesn't have to be logical. Im just EXTEMELY TIRED OF 7-9, regardless of the reason it keeps happening.

01-04-2017, 10:57 PM	#20
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Saints explain why they think this 7-9 finish was different from past two I will beat this dead horse again. As long as SP keeps his horrible asst coaches that are his buddies? We will go nowhere!!!!! Why keep a fossilized coaching staff that doesn't produce? If they were worth a crap, they would be promoted to another level by some other organization. SP has NO ONE ON HIS STAFF THAT ANYONE ELSE WANTS!!!! This is maddening!!!!!! He should be pushed overboard for this reason alone. He used to have good assistants but the competent ones are long gone. Now, we always see the usual suspects 7-9 after 7-9. I welcome any poster here to dispute or to try and rationalize this point. Rugby Saint II and 44Champs like this.
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