Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE.

Euphoria · 03-13-2017, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

If the Saints were so badly fleeced why did none of the other 30 teams offer a better trade

From all the reports the Titans were not giving up pick 18 unless they got our round 2

The Eagles offered Jenkins and a 3+4 and preferred to buy players on one year deal

The Browns have every draft pick under the sun and no WR yet no reports of an offer

Teams were not knocking down the door for Cook so they took the best offer on the table which is his worth

Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it.

Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up.

AsylumGuido · 03-13-2017, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

^^^^ This ^^^^

Economics 101. I wish more high schools would teach Economics and Logic. Two of the more useful course offerings in college today.

AsylumGuido · 03-13-2017, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it.

Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up.

You are thinking too logically.

lee909 · 03-13-2017, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it.

Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up.

Just using thm as an example
30 teams could have bettered the offer if it was so good and nobody did

Euphoria · 03-13-2017, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It was the only way to make the deal. I'm sure they would have rather not done it, but it was necessary. You can't logically blame them. The market sets the price and obviously no one else would offer any better. A player is only worth what the market bears. That is simple economics. The worth that you or I see is irrelevant.

I wish more people knew this. I been saying this and I get blased for it.

Some people seem to think we should get Starting QB value for a Deep threat WR who comes in on certain downs. The math doesn't make sense.

voodooido · 03-13-2017, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it.

Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up.

Browns more than likely will not touch a qb until rd 2 per 3. Brock is not being released or traded. He has a upside and the browns have no one better. Even if he becomes avg as he was in Denver he will be an upgrade over what they have. As for the #12 pick, even the browns are not that dumb. They are in need of playmakers and LF7 should be there at 12. They drafted like 42 wrs last year and have got to get something out of them.
We all wanted more out of the cooks trade but we didn't get it. We need to get over it and look towards the draft. Plenty of depth on defense and wr in this draft.

Euphoria · 03-13-2017, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Browns more than likely will not touch a qb until rd 2 per 3. Brock is not being released or traded. He has a upside and the browns have no one better. Even if he becomes avg as he was in Denver he will be an upgrade over what they have. As for the #12 pick, even the browns are not that dumb. They are in need of playmakers and LF7 should be there at 12. They drafted like 42 wrs last year and have got to get something out of them.
We all wanted more out of the cooks trade but we didn't get it. We need to get over it and look towards the draft. Plenty of depth on defense and wr in this draft.

Uhm, I had to be the bearer of bad news to you... I live in Cleveland and they are shopping him hard for draft picks. Word here is that they are going to get something even a 6 or 7th if now they may cut him all together. I would argue that Cody Kesler is better and has more upside than Brock.

Sure be nice to end up with the Browns number one pick for Cooks but the vaule for a one deminsional WR ???

nola_swammi · 03-13-2017, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

How do you know they didn't?

I assuming they didn't cause their weren't any mentions of trade with the Browns. I am not going to assume they did have discussions with the Browns when they're no mentions of the Browns. You can't one day say you're not trading him then weeks later say it will take a lot for us to consider trading and expect teams to come to you with the best offer. Do you think that is what the Texans did wait on Browns to call or do you think Browns call them?
ITS CALL COLLECTIVE REASONING

Rugby Saint II · 03-13-2017, 04:57 PM

Meh......

03-13-2017, 11:37 AM	#21
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by lee909 If the Saints were so badly fleeced why did none of the other 30 teams offer a better trade From all the reports the Titans were not giving up pick 18 unless they got our round 2 The Eagles offered Jenkins and a 3+4 and preferred to buy players on one year deal The Browns have every draft pick under the sun and no WR yet no reports of an offer Teams were not knocking down the door for Cook so they took the best offer on the table which is his worth Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it. Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up. AsylumGuido likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by K Major ^^^^ This ^^^^ Economics 101. I wish more high schools would teach Economics and Logic. Two of the more useful course offerings in college today.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by Euphoria Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it. Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up. You are thinking too logically.

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lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,758 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by Euphoria Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it. Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up. Just using thm as an example 30 teams could have bettered the offer if it was so good and nobody did

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It was the only way to make the deal. I'm sure they would have rather not done it, but it was necessary. You can't logically blame them. The market sets the price and obviously no one else would offer any better. A player is only worth what the market bears. That is simple economics. The worth that you or I see is irrelevant. I wish more people knew this. I been saying this and I get blased for it. Some people seem to think we should get Starting QB value for a Deep threat WR who comes in on certain downs. The math doesn't make sense.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,744	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by Euphoria Browns signed a WR already and Browns aren't looking for players who might talk crap or have a potential attitude any more. Apparently you talk or locker room problem they are gone. There is change in Cleveland. Cooks has bee speaking out and I don't think that administration wants that anymore or even a hint of it. Beside if they are going to try and get a QB with the 12 pick... Why would they give that up for a WR who won't play as much as a QB? The math doesn't add up. Browns more than likely will not touch a qb until rd 2 per 3. Brock is not being released or traded. He has a upside and the browns have no one better. Even if he becomes avg as he was in Denver he will be an upgrade over what they have. As for the #12 pick, even the browns are not that dumb. They are in need of playmakers and LF7 should be there at 12. They drafted like 42 wrs last year and have got to get something out of them. We all wanted more out of the cooks trade but we didn't get it. We need to get over it and look towards the draft. Plenty of depth on defense and wr in this draft.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by voodooido Browns more than likely will not touch a qb until rd 2 per 3. Brock is not being released or traded. He has a upside and the browns have no one better. Even if he becomes avg as he was in Denver he will be an upgrade over what they have. As for the #12 pick, even the browns are not that dumb. They are in need of playmakers and LF7 should be there at 12. They drafted like 42 wrs last year and have got to get something out of them. We all wanted more out of the cooks trade but we didn't get it. We need to get over it and look towards the draft. Plenty of depth on defense and wr in this draft. Uhm, I had to be the bearer of bad news to you... I live in Cleveland and they are shopping him hard for draft picks. Word here is that they are going to get something even a 6 or 7th if now they may cut him all together. I would argue that Cody Kesler is better and has more upside than Brock. Sure be nice to end up with the Browns number one pick for Cooks but the vaule for a one deminsional WR ??? Seer1 likes this.

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,626	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How do you know they didn't? I assuming they didn't cause their weren't any mentions of trade with the Browns. I am not going to assume they did have discussions with the Browns when they're no mentions of the Browns. You can't one day say you're not trading him then weeks later say it will take a lot for us to consider trading and expect teams to come to you with the best offer. Do you think that is what the Texans did wait on Browns to call or do you think Browns call them? ITS CALL COLLECTIVE REASONING

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