Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA!

Danno · 03-24-2005, 04:10 PM

Sully bieng 20 lbs overweight is of little concern to me...

As long as he is commited to doing better, and He has shown that a little with the loss of some weight..then I will hope he achieves his goals...

Good point.
Gilbert Brown always came into camp fat and overweight. But he was a great player because of his gameday drive and determination. I\'ll concede he could have been even better if he wasn\'t as fat, but thats not my point.

His weight is of little concern to me also, unless he comes in WAY overweight. His attitude, drive and determination at practice and on the field is what he must prove to us has changed. Otherwise he\'s simply another player who never realized his considerable potential.

I hope he comes thru, but he will always be the butt of jokes until he shuts us up with a complete season of good play.

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 04:17 PM

Okay, Danno, this is for you.

If Sully came into camp 50lbs over-weight, would that suggest that he\'s not commited to being the player he needs to be?

Now, conversely, if Sullivan showed up in March at 337lbs (only 22lbs over his IDEAL playing weight) doesn\'t that indicate that he\'s on the right track?

Danno · 03-24-2005, 04:23 PM

Okay, Danno, this is for you.

If Sully came into camp 50lbs over-weight, would that suggest that he\'s not commited to being the player he needs to be?

Now, conversely, if Sullivan showed up in March at 337lbs (only 22lbs over his IDEAL playing weight) doesn\'t that indicate that he\'s on the right track?

I think you missed my whole point. And that was a lot of typing for me dammit!

350-That would be WAY overweight and indicative of a lack of committment. Bad news.
337-That wouldn\'t tell me a single thing about his attitude, drive and determination. It only tells me he lost a little weight. Maybe he\'s matured, maybe not. Heck I\'ve lost weight before, doesn\'t mean I can play DT.

He may think, \"OK I\'ve lost my weight, still got my 11.5 too\"!

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 04:27 PM

Hey, don\'t get me wrong. I\'m not ready to annoint Sullivan as the savior. But, people with weight problems tend to gain weight. Especially big NFL guys in the off-season.

I think it\'s very encouraging that Sullivan is so close to his ideal playing weight in MARCH.

If you\'re looking for postives this time of year on Sullivan, that\'s about as good as it\'s going to get. If we\'re going to bash him when we thought he was 355, then he deserves a little credit for actually losing some weight.

ssmitty · 03-24-2005, 04:42 PM

what is it with weight? who determines what weight an athlete should play by? i don\'t care if he weights a 1000lbs..
the fact he was lazy is the issue i believe.........
like i said before, you can\'t buy heart.........
you either have it or you don\'t.........
ship his ass out if screws up again.......
what is it with the saints putting guys like this in saints 101 first grade? he\'s getting milliions to be babied? come on.....
take the loss and move on..........smitty

Danno · 03-24-2005, 04:43 PM

If you\'re looking for postives this time of year on Sullivan, that\'s about as good as it\'s going to get. If we\'re going to bash him when we thought he was 355, then he deserves a little credit for actually losing some weight.

I don\'t know Billy, I\'m apprehensive about giving someone credit for doing what they\'re supposed to do.
Especially if they getting millions for doing it.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by Danno]

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 04:45 PM

If you\'re looking for postives this time of year on Sullivan, that\'s about as good as it\'s going to get. If we\'re going to bash him when we thought he was 355, then he deserves a little credit for actually losing some weight.

I don\'t know Billy, I\'m apprehensive about giving someone credit for doing what they\'re supposed to do.
Especially if they getting millions for doing it.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by Danno]

I understand, Danno. Believe me, I really do. But, we\'re talking about a guy who hasn\'t done what he\'s suppose to do. Now, we can throw him in the fire, but AT THIS POINT, I\'m encouraged that at least he\'s on the right track this time of year.

Danno · 03-24-2005, 04:47 PM

I understand, I guess its better than him gaining weight.

GumboBC · 03-24-2005, 04:53 PM

I understand, I guess its better than him gaining weight.

LOL ...

Yeah, I suppose you\'re right. I don\'t mind telling anyone that I have high hopes for Sullivan this year. I know the kid has the talent. I also know he\'s young and has made some mistakes.

At least we\'re talking about a guy who has worlds of potential instead of someone who lacks it.

Because of that, I\'m excited about the possibility of Sullivan stepping up.

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by GumboBC]

saintswhodi · 03-24-2005, 04:58 PM

Where exactly did anyone see that Sullivan has all this potential and all this talent? Cause Haslett and the front office say so? He was the 5th or 6th best rated DT in his draft. That\'s usually a second rounder or late first. Where does anyone get the impression he is so talented, cause we chose him high?

03-24-2005, 04:10 PM	#21
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,647	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Sully bieng 20 lbs overweight is of little concern to me... As long as he is commited to doing better, and He has shown that a little with the loss of some weight..then I will hope he achieves his goals... Good point. Gilbert Brown always came into camp fat and overweight. But he was a great player because of his gameday drive and determination. I\'ll concede he could have been even better if he wasn\'t as fat, but thats not my point. His weight is of little concern to me also, unless he comes in WAY overweight. His attitude, drive and determination at practice and on the field is what he must prove to us has changed. Otherwise he\'s simply another player who never realized his considerable potential. I hope he comes thru, but he will always be the butt of jokes until he shuts us up with a complete season of good play.

03-24-2005, 04:17 PM	#22
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Okay, Danno, this is for you. If Sully came into camp 50lbs over-weight, would that suggest that he\'s not commited to being the player he needs to be? Now, conversely, if Sullivan showed up in March at 337lbs (only 22lbs over his IDEAL playing weight) doesn\'t that indicate that he\'s on the right track?
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03-24-2005, 04:23 PM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,647	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Okay, Danno, this is for you. If Sully came into camp 50lbs over-weight, would that suggest that he\'s not commited to being the player he needs to be? Now, conversely, if Sullivan showed up in March at 337lbs (only 22lbs over his IDEAL playing weight) doesn\'t that indicate that he\'s on the right track? I think you missed my whole point. And that was a lot of typing for me dammit! 350-That would be WAY overweight and indicative of a lack of committment. Bad news. 337-That wouldn\'t tell me a single thing about his attitude, drive and determination. It only tells me he lost a little weight. Maybe he\'s matured, maybe not. Heck I\'ve lost weight before, doesn\'t mean I can play DT. He may think, \"OK I\'ve lost my weight, still got my 11.5 too\"!

03-24-2005, 04:27 PM	#24
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Hey, don\'t get me wrong. I\'m not ready to annoint Sullivan as the savior. But, people with weight problems tend to gain weight. Especially big NFL guys in the off-season. I think it\'s very encouraging that Sullivan is so close to his ideal playing weight in MARCH. If you\'re looking for postives this time of year on Sullivan, that\'s about as good as it\'s going to get. If we\'re going to bash him when we thought he was 355, then he deserves a little credit for actually losing some weight.
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03-24-2005, 04:42 PM	#25
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! what is it with weight? who determines what weight an athlete should play by? i don\'t care if he weights a 1000lbs.. the fact he was lazy is the issue i believe......... like i said before, you can\'t buy heart......... you either have it or you don\'t......... ship his ass out if screws up again....... what is it with the saints putting guys like this in saints 101 first grade? he\'s getting milliions to be babied? come on..... take the loss and move on..........smitty
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03-24-2005, 04:43 PM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,647	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! If you\'re looking for postives this time of year on Sullivan, that\'s about as good as it\'s going to get. If we\'re going to bash him when we thought he was 355, then he deserves a little credit for actually losing some weight. I don\'t know Billy, I\'m apprehensive about giving someone credit for doing what they\'re supposed to do. Especially if they getting millions for doing it. [Edited on 24/3/2005 by Danno]

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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! If you\'re looking for postives this time of year on Sullivan, that\'s about as good as it\'s going to get. If we\'re going to bash him when we thought he was 355, then he deserves a little credit for actually losing some weight. I don\'t know Billy, I\'m apprehensive about giving someone credit for doing what they\'re supposed to do. Especially if they getting millions for doing it. [Edited on 24/3/2005 by Danno] I understand, Danno. Believe me, I really do. But, we\'re talking about a guy who hasn\'t done what he\'s suppose to do. Now, we can throw him in the fire, but AT THIS POINT, I\'m encouraged that at least he\'s on the right track this time of year.
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,647	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! I understand, I guess its better than him gaining weight.

03-24-2005, 04:53 PM	#29
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! I understand, I guess its better than him gaining weight. LOL ... Yeah, I suppose you\'re right. I don\'t mind telling anyone that I have high hopes for Sullivan this year. I know the kid has the talent. I also know he\'s young and has made some mistakes. At least we\'re talking about a guy who has worlds of potential instead of someone who lacks it. Because of that, I\'m excited about the possibility of Sullivan stepping up. [Edited on 24/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-24-2005, 04:58 PM	#30
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Jonathan Sullivan in pretty good shape. HA! Where exactly did anyone see that Sullivan has all this potential and all this talent? Cause Haslett and the front office say so? He was the 5th or 6th best rated DT in his draft. That\'s usually a second rounder or late first. Where does anyone get the impression he is so talented, cause we chose him high?