MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2017, 12:13 PM

MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him'

By Amos Morale III amorale@nola.com,
NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

Saints general manager Mickey Loomis said Monday that Nick Fairley's heart condition which spurred to Saints to put him on injured reserve has been a difficult situation for the team.

"Obviously the time of the discovery wasn't great for us, nor for him," Loomis said. "But the most important thing is his health.....when doctor says 'look you shouldn't play' you shouldn't play. That's where we are at right now and that's pretty much all we can say about it."

Loomis joined NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune's columnists Jeff Duncan and Larry Holder's daily radio show Dunc & Holder on 1280 FM Monday morning and discussed the team's reaction to Fairley's condition.

Fairley, who posted 43 tackles, nine for loss, 6.5 sacks and 22 quarterback hits, saw at least three heart specialists after a team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical he took to sign his new contract in March.

Loomis said he couldn't go into specifics of Fairley's condition because of "his personal health information" but said that Fairley's absence has been difficult for the team.

"He had really maybe his best season ever last year," Loomis told Duncan and Holder. "We were counting on him and looking forward to having on our team going forward so this has been difficult.

More here ...

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2017, 12:17 PM

This article verifies that Fairley's condition was something new after the physical that he passed at the time of his contract signing. It states that a "team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical he took to sign his new contract in March."

I know some around here have put the blame on the Saints front office, but they did their due diligence and it was just bad luck that something new was found later.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2017, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This article verifies that Fairley's condition was something new after the physical that he passed at the time of his contract signing. It states that a "team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical he took to sign his new contract in March."

I know some around here have put the blame on the Saints front office, but they did their due diligence and it was just bad luck that something new was found later.

Guido, I respectfully disagree...

This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same...

Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players...

It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)...

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2017, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Guido, I respectfully disagree...

This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same...

Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players...

It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)...

You are making an assumption there, JP, that it was his existing condition and was worsening. I have read otherwise that it was arrhythmia. That isn't something that is easily missed. It is very apparent when the heart beat is irregular and could not have been missed in the earlier physical. In doing some reading I have found out that arrhythmia can occur in even a healthy heart, although it is most likely more common with some other heart related issue. It could have been brought on by combinations of factors including diet and exercise, two things most likely to have been affected at the beginning of OTA's when the condition was discovered.

Now I don't know how reliable this information is either, but coupled with wording involving a "new" condition being found in early releases it does make sense.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2017, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are making an assumption there, JP, that it was his existing condition and was worsening. I have read otherwise that it was arrhythmia. That isn't something that is easily missed. It is very apparent when the heart beat is irregular and could not have been missed in the earlier physical. In doing some reading I have found out that arrhythmia can occur in even a healthy heart, although it is most likely more common with some other heart related issue. It could have been brought on by combinations of factors including diet and exercise, two things most likely to have been affected at the beginning of OTA's when the condition was discovered.

Now I don't know how reliable this information is either, but coupled with wording involving a "new" condition being found in early releases it does make sense.

Agreed, that's fair point that it another cardiac condition; nonetheless, you can have parallel and secondary conditions develop (i.e. a hip flares up for overcompensation for knee injury, ankle stress from a Lisfranc); because of one ongoing issue, it just seems it would be even more prudent to have a full cardiac workup, of the type that you literally have millions of dollars invested, with several cardiologist involved, would have caught something that only reared just a few weeks later?!?

Personal Experience: I know when my late Father began to have heart problems from a prior misdiagnosed heart attack, his cardiologist that I'd befriended a couple of years before as our children were in the same class, school took his time and caught a number of things going on with Dad and probably added those eight years with his granddaughter (my child) because he really took his time and didn't "process" Dad like a piece of meat (of course, my Dad had that type of affect on people); and my Dad probably would have lived longer had that same cardiologist not moved away and we got stuck with a jerk who mailed it in one day and missed my Dad in the middle of a cardiac episode...

There just seems to be a higher number of these types of reports with the Saints than some of these other franchises and I can't help but wonder if there's not a systematic dysfunction that needs to be addressed...

Eric Asher, a local radio and television reporter has addressed this issue on both his shows and granted, while he's no cardiologist, he's taken an awful risk to his stock and his broadcasters' stock to call out Ochsners Sports and Health to highlight this problem...

I intend on calling in to his next show when two certain reporters are on to see if there isn't a few players having concers as well...

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2017, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

... it just seems it would be even more prudent to have a full cardiac workup, of the type that you literally have millions of dollars invested, with several cardiologist involved, would have caught something that only reared just a few weeks later?!?

To this I agree completely. That's why I suspect a total range of testing did take place concerning his cardiac condition. And that is what leads me to believe even more that the condition is arrhythmia which can arise at any moment. The heart can suddenly slow down, speed up, or become sporadic without any warning. That would explain Loomis' comment concerning timing.

I can understand your predisposition toward Oschner and all. As a point of full disclosure, my eldest son is an employee of the Oschner health system as the head coach at their fitness facility in Elmwood.

spkb25 · 07-17-2017, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Guido, I respectfully disagree...

This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same...

Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players...

It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)...

All very valid points

AsylumGuido · 07-17-2017, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

All very valid points

Name that long list of free agents sign by the Saints with a history of injuries that was overlooked.

And also name the list of free agent or returning player signings that turned out bad.

I'll start them out.

Injury
Jarius Byrd
Nick Fairley

Contracts gone bad (non-injury history)
Junior Galette
Brandon Browner

Perhaps Keenen Lewis, but I am not sure which category he would fall into. His injury problems began after his big contract, yet he was let go early resulting in the same cap hit.

dizzle88 · 07-17-2017, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Name that long list of free agents sign by the Saints with a history of injuries that was overlooked.

And also name the list of free agent or returning player signings that turned out bad.

I'll start them out.

Injury
Jarius Byrd
Nick Fairley

Contracts gone bad (non-injury history)
Junior Galette
Brandon Browner

Perhaps Keenen Lewis, but I am not sure which category he would fall into. His injury problems began after his big contract, yet he was let go early resulting in the same cap hit.

Jimmy Graham.

Edit: And CJ Spiller, his contract was exactly the same as Ingrams.

dizzle88 · 07-17-2017, 02:12 PM

It says the team doctor "noticed" the irregularity after the physical, meaning it could have been there all along and the team doctor should have noticed it straight away.

Just seems awful coincidental for a guy with a pretty bad track record when it comes to signing guys to huge contracts.

07-17-2017, 12:13 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,420	MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' By Amos Morale III amorale@nola.com, NOLA.com \| The Times-Picayune Saints general manager Mickey Loomis said Monday that Nick Fairley's heart condition which spurred to Saints to put him on injured reserve has been a difficult situation for the team. "Obviously the time of the discovery wasn't great for us, nor for him," Loomis said. "But the most important thing is his health.....when doctor says 'look you shouldn't play' you shouldn't play. That's where we are at right now and that's pretty much all we can say about it." Loomis joined NOLA.com \| The Times-Picayune's columnists Jeff Duncan and Larry Holder's daily radio show Dunc & Holder on 1280 FM Monday morning and discussed the team's reaction to Fairley's condition. Fairley, who posted 43 tackles, nine for loss, 6.5 sacks and 22 quarterback hits, saw at least three heart specialists after a team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical he took to sign his new contract in March. Loomis said he couldn't go into specifics of Fairley's condition because of "his personal health information" but said that Fairley's absence has been difficult for the team. "He had really maybe his best season ever last year," Loomis told Duncan and Holder. "We were counting on him and looking forward to having on our team going forward so this has been difficult. More here ...
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07-17-2017, 12:17 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,420	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' This article verifies that Fairley's condition was something new after the physical that he passed at the time of his contract signing. It states that a "team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical he took to sign his new contract in March." I know some around here have put the blame on the Saints front office, but they did their due diligence and it was just bad luck that something new was found later.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This article verifies that Fairley's condition was something new after the physical that he passed at the time of his contract signing. It states that a "team doctor noticed an irregularity with his heart at some point after the physical he took to sign his new contract in March." I know some around here have put the blame on the Saints front office, but they did their due diligence and it was just bad luck that something new was found later. Guido, I respectfully disagree... This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same... Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players... It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)... jnormand, spkb25 and 73Saint like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,420	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' Originally Posted by jeanpierre Guido, I respectfully disagree... This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same... Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players... It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)... You are making an assumption there, JP, that it was his existing condition and was worsening. I have read otherwise that it was arrhythmia. That isn't something that is easily missed. It is very apparent when the heart beat is irregular and could not have been missed in the earlier physical. In doing some reading I have found out that arrhythmia can occur in even a healthy heart, although it is most likely more common with some other heart related issue. It could have been brought on by combinations of factors including diet and exercise, two things most likely to have been affected at the beginning of OTA's when the condition was discovered. Now I don't know how reliable this information is either, but coupled with wording involving a "new" condition being found in early releases it does make sense.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are making an assumption there, JP, that it was his existing condition and was worsening. I have read otherwise that it was arrhythmia. That isn't something that is easily missed. It is very apparent when the heart beat is irregular and could not have been missed in the earlier physical. In doing some reading I have found out that arrhythmia can occur in even a healthy heart, although it is most likely more common with some other heart related issue. It could have been brought on by combinations of factors including diet and exercise, two things most likely to have been affected at the beginning of OTA's when the condition was discovered. Now I don't know how reliable this information is either, but coupled with wording involving a "new" condition being found in early releases it does make sense. Agreed, that's fair point that it another cardiac condition; nonetheless, you can have parallel and secondary conditions develop (i.e. a hip flares up for overcompensation for knee injury, ankle stress from a Lisfranc); because of one ongoing issue, it just seems it would be even more prudent to have a full cardiac workup, of the type that you literally have millions of dollars invested, with several cardiologist involved, would have caught something that only reared just a few weeks later?!? Personal Experience: I know when my late Father began to have heart problems from a prior misdiagnosed heart attack, his cardiologist that I'd befriended a couple of years before as our children were in the same class, school took his time and caught a number of things going on with Dad and probably added those eight years with his granddaughter (my child) because he really took his time and didn't "process" Dad like a piece of meat (of course, my Dad had that type of affect on people); and my Dad probably would have lived longer had that same cardiologist not moved away and we got stuck with a jerk who mailed it in one day and missed my Dad in the middle of a cardiac episode... There just seems to be a higher number of these types of reports with the Saints than some of these other franchises and I can't help but wonder if there's not a systematic dysfunction that needs to be addressed... Eric Asher, a local radio and television reporter has addressed this issue on both his shows and granted, while he's no cardiologist, he's taken an awful risk to his stock and his broadcasters' stock to call out Ochsners Sports and Health to highlight this problem... I intend on calling in to his next show when two certain reporters are on to see if there isn't a few players having concers as well...
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,420	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' Originally Posted by jeanpierre ... it just seems it would be even more prudent to have a full cardiac workup, of the type that you literally have millions of dollars invested, with several cardiologist involved, would have caught something that only reared just a few weeks later?!? To this I agree completely. That's why I suspect a total range of testing did take place concerning his cardiac condition. And that is what leads me to believe even more that the condition is arrhythmia which can arise at any moment. The heart can suddenly slow down, speed up, or become sporadic without any warning. That would explain Loomis' comment concerning timing. I can understand your predisposition toward Oschner and all. As a point of full disclosure, my eldest son is an employee of the Oschner health system as the head coach at their fitness facility in Elmwood.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' Originally Posted by jeanpierre Guido, I respectfully disagree... This was a known condition of Fairley's that obviously has worsened; irregardless, I'd made sure his pre-contract physical was more in-depth with regards to the cardiology component of the examination; and had language for the preexisting condition or decline in same... Far too often we've signed guys either knowing there was some injury and disregarded its severity or someone or some group of medical professionals that the Saints continue to use has once again failed to do their due diligence in examining players... It's not that in one case that a doctor has missed something and Loomis & FO should be hung out to dry, it's that it seems to be happening more often than it should; and that is on Loomis & the FO people for continuing to use an unreliable medical group (OHP)... All very valid points

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,420	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' Originally Posted by spkb25 All very valid points Name that long list of free agents sign by the Saints with a history of injuries that was overlooked. And also name the list of free agent or returning player signings that turned out bad. I'll start them out. Injury Jarius Byrd Nick Fairley Contracts gone bad (non-injury history) Junior Galette Brandon Browner Perhaps Keenen Lewis, but I am not sure which category he would fall into. His injury problems began after his big contract, yet he was let go early resulting in the same cap hit.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Name that long list of free agents sign by the Saints with a history of injuries that was overlooked. And also name the list of free agent or returning player signings that turned out bad. I'll start them out. Injury Jarius Byrd Nick Fairley Contracts gone bad (non-injury history) Junior Galette Brandon Browner Perhaps Keenen Lewis, but I am not sure which category he would fall into. His injury problems began after his big contract, yet he was let go early resulting in the same cap hit. Jimmy Graham. Edit: And CJ Spiller, his contract was exactly the same as Ingrams.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: MIckey Loomis on Nick Fairley's condition: 'The time of the discovery wasn't great for us nor for him' It says the team doctor "noticed" the irregularity after the physical, meaning it could have been there all along and the team doctor should have noticed it straight away. Just seems awful coincidental for a guy with a pretty bad track record when it comes to signing guys to huge contracts. jnormand, spkb25, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

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