No offense... but it looks like you bought their entire story. Wow.

Listen, I don't want to sound ungrateful to you for serving our country. Believe me, I have nothing but respect for the guys and gals that serve this country. Thanks for putting your two cents into this thread. It is much appreciated.

I really choose to look at this from two different points of view. That way you get the entire 3D vision of what really happened. Do you thing the Vietnam vets who are still alive today still look at that war in the same context in which it was presented 40 years ago? History will tell.

Oak... I'm not doubting anything about 1991 in Kuwait. The problem was going back and finishing the job. I have a hard time believing that just because the UN didn't authorize us that we actually listened to that.

So the question becomes, why did we feel the need to go back? 911? WMD? Proper defense of the country? Maybe... Maybe Not. I don't put anything past the Powers that Be" who run levels that are much higher than the President and the Congress. Can you tell me that you don't believe that this country has been taken over by evil forces that don't make sense to the common person and doesn't represent him?

Face it... the only place to get "REAL" information is the Internet. Still, I think you will agree that anybody can say anything so who do you believe? So many things get call conspiracy theories, so people won't look into actual lies presented by the media. Don't get caught in that trap.

I love this guy. Meet Mr. Gerald Celente.

Gerald Celente - Tom Sullivan on Fox Business News - January 26, 2013 - YouTube

Greed. Plain and simple. The "big money machine" profits TREMENDOUSLY off of war. The motive is for the wealthier countries to take out the current regimes of smaller countries such as Iraq (Saddam) and Libya (Gaddafi) because they can control who gets put into office next and then use them as their puppets to also control any assets the country may have such as oil. I'm not saying these dictators were good people and they were given a bad wrap by media, but they didn't conform to the want of more territorial power that is brought on by England and the United States. Since we've been allies with England, the US has been involved in too many conflicts overseas where we didn't belong in the first place. It's all about being the big boys on the block and having the less fortunate countries kneel out their feet. When they don't comply, they get dealt with by force. They use any means possible to go to war with these countries. The US is guilty of it from the staged sinking of the Lusitania to get into WWI. The same can be said about the attack on Pearl Harbor. I don't beleive FDR was involved in it, because the British loyalists in the US wanted him out. However, there were people that knew it was going to happen and they just let it. 9-11 was no different. The greatest tragedy of our lifetime occurred so that the US could use it as a means to oust Saddam and gain control over their natural resources. Cha-ching. More profit for the elite. They are using our military personnel as a blood sacrifice to achieve more wealth and power with no remorse of the lives lost as long as they gain it. The New World Order is moving fast to control the world population, so they think with an "event" such as Sandy Hook will cause an outrage in the eyes of American people to support gun control. Those that are pro-gun and stand up against the government will automatically become the enemy. We are on the brink of something major in this country and this world, and whatever it is, it is not good.

Here is where conspiracy theorist get into trouble.

The Lusitania was sunk on 7 May 1915, but the US didn't declare war on Germany until April 6th, 1917!!! Almost 2 years AFTER the sinking.

By contrast, Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7th, 1941, and the US declared war on Japan, on December 8th, 1941.

The US had a much better reason to declare war on Japan, and it occurred almost 4 years BEFORE the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor!

The USS Panay, a gunboat in the US Asiatic fleet, was bombed and strafed by Japanese military aircraft, resulting in the sinking of the Panay, the death of 3 US Navy personel, with 43 more sailors injuried and 5 civilians wounded.

The Japanese government said the pilots didn't see the American flag painted on the ships deck OR the American flags being flown.

But U.S. Navy cryptographers had intercepted and decrypted traffic relating to the attacking planes which clearly indicated that they were under orders during the attack, and that it had not been a mistake of any kind — thus suggesting that it was the type of unauthorized action known by the classical Japanese term Gekokujō. This was not released for the obvious secrecy reasons.

So, if the US wanted to go to war to create jobs and end the Great Depression, which the government created AND made worse, why didn't they jump at this ready-made reason?

Here is where conspiracy theorist get into trouble.

The Lusitania was sunk on 7 May 1915, but the US didn't declare war on Germany until April 6th, 1917!!! Almost 2 years AFTER the sinking.

By contrast, Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7th, 1941, and the US declared war on Japan, on December 8th, 1941.

The US had a much better reason to declare war on Japan, and it occurred almost 4 years BEFORE the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor!

The USS Panay, a gunboat in the US Asiatic fleet, was bombed and strafed by Japanese military aircraft, resulting in the sinking of the Panay, the death of 3 US Navy personel, with 43 more sailors injuried and 5 civilians wounded.

The Japanese government said the pilots didn't see the American flag painted on the ships deck OR the American flags being flown.

But U.S. Navy cryptographers had intercepted and decrypted traffic relating to the attacking planes which clearly indicated that they were under orders during the attack, and that it had not been a mistake of any kind — thus suggesting that it was the type of unauthorized action known by the classical Japanese term Gekokujō. This was not released for the obvious secrecy reasons.

So, if the US wanted to go to war to create jobs and end the Great Depression, which the government created AND made worse, why didn't they jump at this ready-made reason?

If an elite American banker (and later Senator) was funding our enemy, why on Earth is it so hard to fathom that his son and grandson would not be behind an agenda that did the same thing during their Presidential terms, or in H.W.'s case, his involvement with the C.I.A (which is another one of the most corrupt institutions known to man)? Why is there a huge possible linkage to George H.W. Bush and the Kennedy assassination? It's because that entire family is part of the corrupt elitist movement and they do not give two damns about the people that get slaughtered while they are on their way to the bank.

Your turn.

"If" we are going to start finishing sentences.


You say 4 million rounds were found on the Lusitania...GB was our ally, Countries support their allies in a time of war/need. It represents 0.4% of the total amount of .303 ammunition Britain purchased from Remington. During World War I British factories alone produced 7,000,000,000 rounds of .303 ammunition. Factories in other countries added greatly to this total.

There are many reasons why the US would go to war, the Lusitania was what turned American opinion against Germany. Another is the presence of German Subs along the US East Coast. The ONE straw that sealed the deal and brought us into WWI was the Zimmerman Telegram in 1917. A Germany funded war with Mexico.
Zimmermann Telegram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The two years between the Lusitania and America entering WWI is the reason that theory has been declared MYTH.



Perhaps because Nazi Germany existed between 1933 and 1945 and H.W. Bush was 20 years old and George W. Bush was not alive to support Nazi's. So Nazi Germany did not exist during their terms.

In 1963 when Kennedy was assassinated H.W. Bush was running a Drilling Company in Midland Texas and had not entered into politics. H.W. was not affiliated with the CIA until 1976. 13 years after Kennedy was assassinated.

As far as the Skull and Bones. now you are drawing a link between George W. Bush, Paul Giamatti, William Hamilton, Brian Dowling, Francis Cooke, and John Kerry...

Past President, actor, Cartoonist, NFL Football player, composer, Senator.. I fail to see the connections other being members of the same frat.

Associative guilt is not fact and crimes of the grandfather are not punishable by the grandson. Too many conclusions drawn with faint dotted lines and no substance.