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08-22-2012 03:45 PM - permalink

SloMotion

Originally Posted by ScottF

obviously I agree--I look at it this way-- the teams I love have changed players a thousand times over, but I still love the team. Yes, it was devasting to see Archie Manning in a Viking or Oiler uniform, but here I am 30 years later, still an avid Saints fan

If the players would like to invest in the infrastructure and expense of a team and make a commitment to staying with a team, then I could see giving them a bigger percentage of the revenues, but they fought hard for free agency, so smaller revenue sharing is a price they pay.

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08-22-2012 08:30 PM - permalink

ScottF

Originally Posted by SloMotion

If the players would like to invest in the infrastructure and expense of a team and make a commitment to staying with a team, then I could see giving them a bigger percentage of the revenues, but they fought hard for free agency, so smaller revenue sharing is a price they pay.

Yep. this 3-4 years and then UFA is BS. When we were first looking at losing Nicks, I was thinking holy sh**, didn't we just draft him?
I saw him playing special teams his rookie year vs Jax and said to my dad 'look at the size of that guy'. I believe that was 4 years ago

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08-24-2012 10:36 AM - permalink

RedWings44

I thought that at first, until I realized how many employees are on the sides of the owners

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08-26-2012 04:51 PM - permalink

FinSaint

Originally Posted by ScottF

I don't know about 50-50. If I own a business I am going to pay my employees what I think they are worth, and make as money as I can. I always used to side with the players in these standoffs, but now that they are millionaire prima donnas I look at the other side. The owner is the one risking hundreds of millions to put a team out there.
I know, I know, where would the game be without the players...? Simple, the same game with different players.

Definitely not an even spread between the owners and the players, I think that maybe a 65/35 spread between the two sides would be fair, but of course it all depends on what the "pot" that is to be divided is considered to consist of.

More than that, I hope that they outlaw these 10+ year contracts and make a 6-year contract the longest contract a player can sign. Also, I would like to see a salary ceiling for players, so that it would be regulated how big of a percentage a single player can earn out of the entire salary cap. And, I'd like to see the lower end players make more money in relation to what they are making at the moment as opposed to the stars.

Now, I'm not saying that the star players shouldn't be compensated the way they deserve to be, but moderation and a more equal spread of the salary cap between the players is something that I'd see as a very positive evolutionary step.

And he steps off the soap box...

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08-26-2012 05:47 PM - permalink

ScottF

Pay for performance salaries would fix most of what is wrong. Have 5 salary tiers, and then bonuses for every worthwhile statistic.

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08-27-2012 07:43 AM - permalink

SloMotion

Hmmm, interesting ... humour me here ... contracts are a way business/owners predict/control future costs ... if they have to renegotiate every few years and/or have the unpredictable cost of reimbursing players who have a breakout season & perform above average, wouldn't they just then pass those costs onto the fans via higher ticket/concession prices?

I like the concepts of regulating length-of-contracts and salary tiers but just want to keep the owners from passing the bill down to the fans.

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08-27-2012 02:07 PM - permalink

ScottF

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Hmmm, interesting ... humour me here ... contracts are a way business/owners predict/control future costs ... if they have to renegotiate every few years and/or have the unpredictable cost of reimbursing players who have a breakout season & perform above average, wouldn't they just then pass those costs onto the fans via higher ticket/concession prices?

I like the concepts of regulating length-of-contracts and salary tiers but just want to keep the owners from passing the bill down to the fans.

Well, since we are playing what if...
My thought is that an $8 million a year guy OR a $2 mill guy would have an opportunity to make another, say, $2.5 mill in bonus. That money would be already budgeted by the owners in the cap, as they would have been paying those guys $10 mil and $3 mil in the old system.
As for the fans, I guess some owners might stick it to them, but there are still quite a few that understand the importance of a strong fan base.

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08-27-2012 05:32 PM - permalink

FinSaint

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Hmmm, interesting ... humour me here ... contracts are a way business/owners predict/control future costs ... if they have to renegotiate every few years and/or have the unpredictable cost of reimbursing players who have a breakout season & perform above average, wouldn't they just then pass those costs onto the fans via higher ticket/concession prices?

I like the concepts of regulating length-of-contracts and salary tiers but just want to keep the owners from passing the bill down to the fans.

True, it can be very hard - and for both sides - when there's this uncertainty related to how the league profit is to be divided among the owners and the players... and how developments with the annual profit could change the whole environment in which the multi-year CBA has been constructed under.

Still, the problem is that with the last CBA player salaries were successfully brought back a little to where owners could actually pay the salaries and still have a business model which would turn out a profit at the end of the year. But now only years later we've all seen a steady increase in the salaries, and once again the star players are beginning to get paid salaries which aren't really sustainable other than if other players' salaries on the team are cut back in relation. That to me is unfair, and the owners themselves are as much to blame as are the players and especially their agents. The salary cap should be something that allows the owners to have a business model which will be able to turn out a profit at the end of the year, but also the players should be fairly compensated for the job they do and for the overall worth they bring to the league and the individual teams.

I'd just like to see a more "fair" division of the salary cap among all the players on a given roster and the abolishment of these 10+ year contracts with NMC or NTC clauses attached to them - they are in no way healthy for the league and only add to the overall problem at hand. And to top that, agents are now including clauses to player contracts, which will protect their clients from suffering any inflation because of future CBAs during the 10+ year contracts, so they'll be safe to rake in all that cash even if other players on the team would have even less to share among themselves - i.e. Shea Weber contract.

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08-30-2012 06:36 AM - permalink

SloMotion

Well, Pavel Datsyuk (DET), Martin St. Louis (TB) and Evgeni Malkin (PIT) are making plans to play in the KHL next season ... start brushing up on your russian, gents ... I'm not worried from a B&G Hockey Group standpoint, we have already have a foreign correspondant in that time zone to keep us posted, eh FinSaint?

Add Pavel Datsyuk and Martin St. Louis to the list of NHL stars with preliminary plans to play overseas in the event of an NHL lockout.
Datsyuk, the Detroit Red Wings' star center, is leaning toward returning to Russia but will wait until the NHL-imposed Sept. 15 deadline to move forward with that plan. He played for HC Dynamo Moscow during the 2004-05 lockout.

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08-31-2012 12:26 AM - permalink

FinSaint

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Well, Pavel Datsyuk (DET), Martin St. Louis (TB) and Evgeni Malkin (PIT) are making plans to play in the KHL next season ... start brushing up on your russian, gents ... I'm not worried from a B&G Hockey Group standpoint, we have already have a foreign correspondant in that time zone to keep us posted, eh FinSaint?

Yeah, sure.

But on a more serious note, I might actually go to some games for a change if there's an injection of NHL players into the Finnish league. I haven't been to a game in a couple of years, mainly because I live in another city at the moment than where I'm from and where my team plays. But also because the game is not that entertaining - especially compared to the NHL, or the AHL for that matter.

So, while it would suck big time if there was a lockout, it would definitely be a good thing for many European leagues, who'd probably see a rise in their attendance records because of the potential NHL players they could attract to their teams.

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