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nola_swammi 08-29-2016 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 715046)
This kind of comment is a huge part of what's wrong with America. People like me and others around here keep talking about how the media is spreading propaganda about "racism". And people just eat it up.

Your comment illustrates that. George Zimmerman was not convicted. There was no evidence to support that he wasn't defending himself, just as he said. Now, you're free to disagree with that outcome, but you are judging without knowledge. You are automatically taking the the kid's side because he was black, and you assume that Zimmerman is a racist.

The same thing has happened over and over with these stories coming out. You have KNOWN CRIMINALS who have been killed by police, who say they were defending themselves. The evidence doesn't refute their claims. This goes on every day. It has nothing to do with race. But suddenly, it's a problem.

Are there crimes committed with prejudice? Yeah. And it comes from people of every color. But this idea that racism is rampant and every time a black person dies it's because of racism, you are just playing the victim. You know how many white people die at the hands of either a white or black person everyday? No, you don't. You won't hear about, and you won't go looking for that information, because it wouldn't support your theory.

YOU come off as racist by assuming that every death of a black person is racially motivated. Maybe you are racist, maybe you're not. But that's what it looks like, and that's what's causing all this tension. The propaganda, the people who fall for it, and now you have police being shot at because people like you "think" that other cops have committed murder. Not to say that there aren't corrupt cops. But there are a LOT more corrupt people who are bringing this on themselves.

No evidence on O.J. Either!!

Here are some facts go do your research. These officers were set free with paid leave. You can go all the way back to Rodney King til the presence and find the injustice. By no means am I racist, more like a realist when it come to the brutatility and injustice here in America. I wish Kap, could've went with a different platform on standing against what is happening on OUR soil but at least awareness is being brought to attention. Make sure read about Walter Scott killing by Michael Slager and getting paid leave and presume innocent til a bystander video brought to light what really happen.




burningmetal 08-30-2016 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 715053)
No evidence on O.J. Either!!

Here are some facts go do your research. These officers were set free with paid leave. You can go all the way back to Rodney King til the presence and find the injustice. By no means am I racist, more like a realist when it come to the brutatility and injustice here in America. I wish Kap, could've went with a different platform on standing against what is happening on OUR soil but at least awareness is being brought to attention. Make sure read about Walter Scott killing by Michael Slager and getting paid leave and presume innocent til a bystander video brought to light what really happen.

https://youtu.be/LfXqYwyzQpM

https://youtu.be/DcCN5C7UBx0

https://youtu.be/XKQqgVlk0NQ

The ignorance drips from your fingertips.


No evidence on O.J? Yeah... Just a 911 recording of Nicole Simpson saying that her husband was trying to kill her. Blood stained shoe prints that matched a pair of his. Oh, and that little part where he was speeding from the cops who had "no evidence", apparently. Yeah he didn't have a guilty conscience, and justice was totally served. Am I getting through to you yet? I bet not, so let's continue.

I didn't say there weren't ANY corrupt cops. I made a point of that. But you only have these couple of videos, and then a whole boat load of of stories of cops committing "murder". You have gang violence going on all the time, and you don't want to do anything about that, but if a cop kills someone who is a known criminal, you take the side of the criminal, because he's black?

I bet you never heard of Lavoy Finicum. Why don't you watch this and tell me if white people don't get targeted. This man did nothing wrong and was stalked by police for YEARS. It was highly likely a government sanctioned strike, because this man was ACTUALLY standing up for his rights, unlike some people who just sit down.


Have a nice night.

skymike 08-30-2016 12:15 AM

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You cant fix brainwash

SmashMouth 08-30-2016 12:15 AM

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Brees says American flag is “sacred,” speaks out against Kapernick’s method of protest | ProFootballTalk

44Champs 08-30-2016 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 715051)
I never said anything about being unpatriotic. The opportunities for whites are greater that's a fact. When you have predominantly blacks that live in a town and majority of the officers are white, fact. When you have the NFL that predominantly black players you have not one owner that's black, fact. Now I am not saying blacks don't have any opportunity but the door is wide open if you're white. Kap, have as much right as any other individual to protest that don't mean you have to agree. People quick to make an uproar and feel insulted by him not standing up, how the f*** you think I feel when I see my brothers and sisters being beaten, murdered with no sense of f****** justice. I could care less what race you are as a person that should tick you off if someone with a badge can walk up to you disregard your rights. How did you feel about O.J. Being set free?

So according to your argument, if I stand up for the national anthem, that equates to me approving of black men being beat up by police officers. Because that's why you think Kap should be able to sit. Tell me - how does that work? Walk me through this because your logic makes no sense. As far as no black owners in the NFL, what are you trying to say? That there's collusion among the white owners to keep out a black owner? I dont remember any black men stepping up and attempting to buy a franchise, and if there has been, what was the reason why it didnt go through? Oh, and what does the OJ case have to do with this issue on the national anthem? Did you see any white athletes refusing to stand when the not guilty verdict came through? No - you didnt because that would have made NO SENSE!! And that's my whole point that people like you and Kap dont understand. The national anthem isnt about race or color or religion. It's supposed to unite Americans DESPITE the differences. But instead you have people that want to EMPHASIZE the differences by burning a flag or sitting for the national anthem. Those are the idiots that pose the biggest dangers to this country, because they promote malcontent, hatred and division. You want to fight against injustice? Go do some civil work. Go volunteer. Get involved in the government. Do something POSITIVE. But don't use the national anthem or the flag as a tool to do your dirty work. What Kap is doing is negative and idiotic, and people like you support him. Let me know how his plan works for you, because personally, I think his actions make more of a negative impact than a positive one.

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SmashMouth 08-30-2016 08:36 AM

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Jerry Rice says “All lives matter,” tells Kap “don’t disrespect the flag” | ProFootballTalk

Rugby Saint II 08-30-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 714975)
All you that see how offensive it is that he don't stand for the anthem, just think about all those black families that lost their loves ones to brutal killing by police officers and George Zimmerman for being found innocent for Trayvon Martin death. Yes close your eyes or justify the lost of those lives. If you notice not one black person is burning a jersey or speaking out publicly. Americans black & white gave their lives in order for us to have freedom of protest and yes standing for the anthem is a sign of respect to our fallen heroes but sitting to protest is Kap freedom to protest. PEOPLE be careful how you attack Kap before this turnout very huge and blacks come to his defense

I understand what you are saying and I believe that we need to unify against this situation.

However, The stars and stripes represents being an American. And "our flag" doesn't represent bad press. The Flag should draw our country together....not divide us. Find a different way to express your displeasure or get the hell out of my country. :argue:

SaintsBro 08-30-2016 01:35 PM

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Colin Kapernick is as dumb as a box of rocks, and so is the media that is driving this.

First of all, America has been conflicted about race since DAY ONE -- Thomas Jefferson knew this, if anybody has actually taken the time and cracked a book and read his words, you would know that he knew and saw the issues and problems of race in America, way back then -- it already made him uncomfortable... And he predicted it would be a problem going forward, that would have to get better eventually.... In fact there were PLENTY of people who saw the contradictions and problems with race in this country, a long history of that, going way WAY back to the time of the founding of the country. It's not like nobody has ever thought of this stuff, before Kaepernick pulled his stunt. He's gonna be sitting his butt down there by the Gatorade for a d--n long time.

The national anthem itself -- what do the frigging lyrics say. Does anybody even care? The whole thing is A QUESTION. Does the star spangled banner yet wave? Over the land of the free and the home of the brave? (although we in the terrace tend to yell "and the home...of the....Saaiinnntss!!!!!" as the last line).

That's why the guy and his "protest" is as dumb as a bunch of rocks. His so-called "protest" is already BUILT INTO the national anthem. The lyrics are a QUESTION. Does the flag still stand for those things? Do we as a nation, live up to the promise and potential? Are we worthy? Could we do better? Of COURSE. That's what THE ANTHEM IS FOR. We ask the question of ourselves every time we sing it. I can guarantee you, no other country on earth, has an anthem that is asking a QUESTION like that....are we free? Are we still the land of the free, home of the brave?

Anyway, off my soap box. It's also a lousy protest, in terms of strategy. I mean, think like this: you stage a sit-in at a Woolworth's lunch counter, to force them to integrate -- there is an achievable objective there. Fight your draft status, to protest a larger war -- again, there is an achievable objective there. This stunt is pointless as civil rights protest, because there is no actual achievable resolution that could possibly end it. It's not really a tactical maneuver at all -- it's just juvenile pouting.

Danno 08-30-2016 02:02 PM

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Drew Brees 'wholeheartedly' disagrees with Colin Kaepernick's method of protest

METAIRIE, La. -- Drew Brees said he felt compelled to speak out against Colin Kaepernick's refusal to stand during the national anthem and said Monday that it was "bothering me all day long."

"I disagree. I wholeheartedly disagree," Brees told ESPN. "Not that he wants to speak out about a very important issue. No, he can speak out about a very important issue. But there's plenty of other ways that you can do that in a peaceful manner that doesn't involve being disrespectful to the American flag.

"The great thing about this country is that we have the freedoms that allow you to speak out openly about any issue. So I'm not commenting on the issue itself because any person has the right to speak out on any issue they want. That's the great thing about being an American. But the American flag is what represents those freedoms. It represents the very freedom that Colin Kaepernick gets the opportunity to exercise by speaking out his opinion in a peaceful manner about that issue. …

"Like, it's an oxymoron that you're sitting down, disrespecting that flag that has given you the freedom to speak out."

"Listen, if I chose to speak out on every issue that I have an opinion about, that's all I'd do all day. I'd probably have a hundred Twitter posts a day. But this one ...," Brees said without completing his thought.

"I've been on five USO trips, so I've had a chance to meet and talk with a lot of military personnel. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the things that they go through. Also having family that have served and sitting around and listening to my grandfather talk about World War II, so maybe that gives me a heightened level of appreciation for them," Brees said. "But when I look at that flag, I think about them too. I think about a lot of things. Like when I stand and listen to the national anthem with my hand over my heart, there is emotions that well up inside of me.

"Like, I could shed a tear every time the national anthem plays if I would allow myself because it's that powerful."

Other Saints players spoke of seeing the Kaepernick debate from both sides.


"I respect his decision to stand up for how he feels, but I don't think you do it in that manner. I think you stand up for the national anthem," Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro said. "It's bigger than just what's going on around our country. You've got people fighting for our lives, fighting for our country every day. And I think there's other ways that you can handle it.


"But that being said, he can do what he wants. And it makes a statement. I mean, everybody's talking about it, obviously, now. And I think that's the point."

New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees on 49ers Colin Kaepernick protest - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN

SmashMouth 08-30-2016 03:41 PM

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Colin Kaepernick Converted To Islam Before His Anti-American Stance. Coincidence?

nola_swammi 08-30-2016 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 715055)
The ignorance drips from your fingertips.


No evidence on O.J? Yeah... Just a 911 recording of Nicole Simpson saying that her husband was trying to kill her. Blood stained shoe prints that matched a pair of his. Oh, and that little part where he was speeding from the cops who had "no evidence", apparently. Yeah he didn't have a guilty conscience, and justice was totally served. Am I getting through to you yet? I bet not, so let's continue.

I didn't say there weren't ANY corrupt cops. I made a point of that. But you only have these couple of videos, and then a whole boat load of of stories of cops committing "murder". You have gang violence going on all the time, and you don't want to do anything about that, but if a cop kills someone who is a known criminal, you take the side of the criminal, because he's black?

I bet you never heard of Lavoy Finicum. Why don't you watch this and tell me if white people don't get targeted. This man did nothing wrong and was stalked by police for YEARS. It was highly likely a government sanctioned strike, because this man was ACTUALLY standing up for his rights, unlike some people who just sit down.



Have a nice night.

The 911 call was not pertaining to the event of her murder and the blood found on shoes were argued to be transferred possible Mark Fuhrman but I am not hereto argue for or against O.J. my reference about him only was used to PROVE a point

How do you know how I feel about gang violence? I never brought up gang violence. If you should know I am against ANY violence. Just because black members in a gang kill another black person do that justify a law official killing a man? All this evidence which I am showing you is recent not years ago. A NYPD Captain recently persecuted one of his officers " You need to arrest more blacks" Really! do you have them saying arrest more whites? No. Here is proof:
You absolutely right I never heard of Lavoy Finicum. I just got home and will research this, hopefully its something pertaining to this subject. I never said white people don't get targeted, I am saying a lot more blacks are being targeted than whites. right in our backyard, in Baton Rouge, more recent I must say and this one in the city of West Monroe, La which I reside in killed a Hispanic man

nola_swammi 08-30-2016 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 715071)
So according to your argument, if I stand up for the national anthem, that equates to me approving of black men being beat up by police officers. Because that's why you think Kap should be able to sit. Tell me - how does that work? Walk me through this because your logic makes no sense. As far as no black owners in the NFL, what are you trying to say? That there's collusion among the white owners to keep out a black owner? I dont remember any black men stepping up and attempting to buy a franchise, and if there has been, what was the reason why it didnt go through? Oh, and what does the OJ case have to do with this issue on the national anthem? No - you didnt because that would have made NO SENSE!! And that's my whole point that people like you and Kap dont understand. The national anthem isnt about race or color or religion. It's supposed to unite Americans DESPITE the differences. But instead you have people that want to EMPHASIZE the differences by burning a flag or sitting for the national anthem. Those are the idiots that pose the biggest dangers to this country, because they promote malcontent, hatred and division. You want to fight against injustice? Go do some civil work. Go volunteer. Get involved in the government. Do something POSITIVE. But don't use the national anthem or the flag as a tool to do your dirty work. What Kap is doing is negative and idiotic, and people like you support him. Let me know how his plan works for you, because personally, I think his actions make more of a negative impact than a positive one.

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Guy you as dumb as dirt, if you can't understand what I am typing read slower or just have your wife read it back to you. I said earlier in one of my statements I wish he used another platform besides the anthem to protest. I am a Disable Vet, my father and uncles also served in the military. I know what a solider sacrifice, I know the meanings behind the words of OUR anthem. Yet still he have that RIGHT to protest how he feel. Don't get it twisted that I support not standing for the anthem, I support the cause. If not standing for the anthem would shed more light to the cause and bring more awareness to STOP this brutality, I'll sit my fat A** DOWN AS WELL!!! instead I believe by using the anthem will bring more divide and I am not for that. Still as American he has that right and I can't enforce my thoughts unto him like I can't give a blind man(44 champ) sight.

As far as no black owners in the NFL, what are you trying to say? yes

http://thereelnetwork.net/black-play...ck-nfl-owners/


you see any white athletes refusing to stand when the not guilty verdict came through? Oh, and what does the OJ case have to do with this issue on the national anthem?

He doesn't (you really do need to proof read) I refer to how white people feeling when O.J was pronounce NOT GUILTY as the same feeling when George Zimmerman & officer were pronounce NOT GUILTY


Did you see any white athletes refusing to stand when the not guilty verdict came through?

(If you referring to the O.J.)I seen much worst, RACISM & DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO RACES. White people were hurt and sadden, blacks vindicated

Utah_Saint 08-30-2016 07:58 PM

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Dude holds a press conference to discuss his protest of police oppression while wearing a Fidel Castro t-shirt.

I'm gonna have to go with "dumber that a box of rocks".

skymike 08-30-2016 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 715250)
Guy you as dumb as dirt, if you can't understand what I am typing read slower or just have your wife read it back to you. I said earlier in one of my statements I wish he used another platform besides the anthem to protest. I am a Disable Vet, my father and uncles also served in the military. I know what a solider sacrifice, I know the meanings behind the words of OUR anthem. Yet still he have that RIGHT to protest how he feel. Don't get it twisted that I support not standing for the anthem, I support the cause. If not standing for the anthem would shed more light to the cause and bring more awareness to STOP this brutality, I'll sit my fat A** DOWN AS WELL!!! instead I believe by using the anthem will bring more divide and I am not for that. Still as American he has that right and I can't enforce my thoughts unto him like I can't give a blind man(44 champ) sight.

As far as no black owners in the NFL, what are you trying to say? yes

Black Players Dominate on the Field But Where are the Black NFL Owners!! – The Reel Network


you see any white athletes refusing to stand when the not guilty verdict came through? Oh, and what does the OJ case have to do with this issue on the national anthem?

He doesn't (you really do need to proof read) I refer to how white people feeling when O.J was pronounce NOT GUILTY as the same feeling when George Zimmerman & officer were pronounce NOT GUILTY


Did you see any white athletes refusing to stand when the not guilty verdict came through?

(If you referring to the O.J.)I seen much worst, RACISM & DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO RACES. White people were hurt and sadden, blacks vindicated

See, this is where you are blinded by your skin obsession. White people were not "hurt" by OJ. Im Hispanic, but let me
attempt to help you understand. I Loved OJ, when I was a kid. It made me sick to my stomach when I heard he killed his wife. Which he did. You're pretending to be that dumb, if you think he's "innocent." He had a long history of domestic violence, which I did not know then. Made me sick to find out what my hero really was... The OJ trial made me even sicker, as black people suddenly rushed to defend a killer, just because of skin color, and they played dumb, and it made me sick to see how people could hate because of what color people are. Kaepernick has now exposed his racism and hate for all to see.
Here are some more fun facts.
-- Travon was a punk, and he was trying to beat Zimm. to death.
-- if you obey the Police, you wont get hurt, esp. if you dont attack them.
-- If you obey the law, then the Police really arent concerned with you.
-- The rest of the world doesnt give a **** what color you are. They care how you act. In fact people pay lots of money to black people all the time, who they admire.
-- Kaepernick is endorsing violence against police, by his comments, which effectively also endangers young black people. He is a douchebag idiot, who needs to STFU, and try to understand his playbook better.
-- by the way, no one here needs to "be careful." We will speak. Live with it.
-- Martin Luther King. Read about him.
I wish I could help you, but all you see is color, and you've been brainwashed to hate and blame. Youre being used.

halloween 65 08-30-2016 08:33 PM

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I never liked that guy and after this I never will. Every American should stand at our National Anthem. What an a$$hole!!

nola_swammi 08-30-2016 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 715259)
See, this is where you are blinded by your skin obsession. White people were not "hurt" by OJ. Im Hispanic, but let me
attempt to help you understand. I Loved OJ, when I was a kid. It made me sick to my stomach when I heard he killed his wife. Which he did. You're pretending to be that dumb, if you think he's "innocent." He had a long history of domestic violence, which I did not know then. Made me sick to find out what my hero really was... The OJ trial made me even sicker, as black people suddenly rushed to defend a killer, just because of skin color, and they played dumb, and it made me sick to see how people could hate because of what color people are. Kaepernick has now exposed his racism and hate for all to see.
Here are some more fun facts.
-- Travon was a punk, and he was trying to beat Zimm. to death.
-- if you obey the Police, you wont get hurt, esp. if you dont attack them.
-- If you obey the law, then the Police really arent concerned with you.
-- The rest of the world doesnt give a **** what color you are. They care how you act. In fact people pay lots of money to black people all the time, who they admire.
-- Kaepernick is endorsing violence against police, by his comments, which effectively also endangers young black people. He is a douchebag idiot, who needs to STFU, and try to understand his playbook better.
-- by the way, no one here needs to "be careful." We will speak. Live with it.
-- Martin Luther King. Read about him.
I wish I could help you, but all you see is color, and you've been brainwashed to hate and blame. Youre being used.

I am not blind by skin obsession I continue to show different video of occasions were officer beaten or killed a black individual....you're the blind one if you don't see
I am not discussing about F**** O.J. simply made a point on how I thought white people viewed over blacks

How the F*** you come to the conclusion that Trayvon was a punk? F*** Zimmerman beat up his wife a year later then try to ebay sale a gun and you try to make him a hero, Please!!!!!

if you obey Police you won't get hurt! explain this to me:
-- If you obey the law, then the Police really arent concerned with you.Really explain this!!!!
why I am entertaining talking to your dumb A*** I don't even know.

Beastmode 08-30-2016 09:21 PM

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44Champs 08-30-2016 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 715250)
Guy you as dumb as dirt, if you can't understand what I am typing read slower or just have your wife read it back to you. I said earlier in one of my statements I wish he used another platform besides the anthem to protest. I am a Disable Vet, my father and uncles also served in the military. I know what a solider sacrifice, I know the meanings behind the words of OUR anthem. Yet still he have that RIGHT to protest how he feel. Don't get it twisted that I support not standing for the anthem, I support the cause. If not standing for the anthem would shed more light to the cause and bring more awareness to STOP this brutality, I'll sit my fat A** DOWN AS WELL!!! instead I believe by using the anthem will bring more divide and I am not for that. Still as American he has that right and I can't enforce my thoughts unto him like I can't give a blind man(44 champ) sight.

As far as no black owners in the NFL, what are you trying to say? yes

http://thereelnetwork.net/black-play...ck-nfl-owners/


you see any white athletes refusing to stand when the not guilty verdict came through? Oh, and what does the OJ case have to do with this issue on the national anthem?

He doesn't (you really do need to proof read) I refer to how white people feeling when O.J was pronounce NOT GUILTY as the same feeling when George Zimmerman & officer were pronounce NOT GUILTY


Did you see any white athletes refusing to stand when the not guilty verdict came through?

(If you referring to the O.J.)I seen much worst, RACISM & DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO RACES. White people were hurt and sadden, blacks vindicated

I'm dumb? You're all over the place with your arguments and you crawdaddy worse than a crawfish near a boiling pot. I'm done with your ignorant ass.

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nola_swammi 08-30-2016 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 715273)
I'm dumb? You're all over the place with your arguments and you crawdaddy worse than a crawfish near a boiling pot. I'm done with your ignorant ass.

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learn to f*** comprehend you ignorant f*** They have a book out there to help you

How to Develop Comprehension Skills for the GED - dummies

44Champs 08-30-2016 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 715279)
learn to f*** comprehend you ignorant f*** They have a book out there to help you

How to Develop Comprehension Skills for the GED - dummies

You sound like you need some serious help.

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burningmetal 08-30-2016 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 715208)
The 911 call was not pertaining to the event of her murder and the blood found on shoes were argued to be transferred possible Mark Fuhrman but I am not hereto argue for or against O.J. my reference about him only was used to PROVE a point

How do you know how I feel about gang violence? I never brought up gang violence. If you should know I am against ANY violence. Just because black members in a gang kill another black person do that justify a law official killing a man? All this evidence which I am showing you is recent not years ago. A NYPD Captain recently persecuted one of his officers " You need to arrest more blacks" Really! do you have them saying arrest more whites? No. Here is proof: NYPD Captain: You Need To Arrest More Black Guys (AUDIO) - YouTube

You absolutely right I never heard of Lavoy Finicum. I just got home and will research this, hopefully its something pertaining to this subject. I never said white people don't get targeted, I am saying a lot more blacks are being targeted than whites. right in our backyard, in Baton Rouge, more recent I must say Baton Rouge Police Execution Of Alton Sterling (VIDEO) - YouTube and this one in the city of West Monroe, La which I reside in killed a Hispanic man Graphic Video of West Monroe Police Shooting Released - YouTube

You don't have to research Lavoy Finicum, I did it for you and gave you the video. Watch it. Or don't. Your choice.

I know full well you were trying to make a point with the O.J case... Your point failed. He was beyond guilty, and even the jurors admitted that later. But they got caught up in his celebrity and even went so far as to say they were worried about his children losing both their parents. As if any child needs a murderer for a dad. And the guy keeps getting himself thrown back in prison. He's CLEARLY deranged.

You know why you never heard of Lavoy Finicum? Because nobody talks about it when a white person gets killed, unless they are famous. My mother knew about his death months before I ever heard anything, and SHE told me one day. If she hadn't, I still wouldn't know. When I saw the video, I couldn't believe this wasn't a big deal all over the place. But then I thought about it, and I realized it wasn't surprising at all that I hadn't heard.

There is just as much crime against white or hispanic people. This isn't the 50's or 60's anymore. But you won't hear about it. People like you are the one's running this media circus out to "prove" that the black man is oppressed by the white man. There are so many people bending over backwards to cater to the feelings of over sensitive minorities, and yet the moment someone sees some injustice, or what they perceive to be an injustice, they automatically blow it up to look like the whole country is racist.

You know why you are considered a minority right? It means you're outnumbered. If this situation were even half as bad as you think it is, you wouldn't be sitting there freely typing your BS. You are not being oppressed, nor do I think you should be, despite how little respect I have for you right now.

44Champs 08-30-2016 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 715287)
You don't have to research Lavoy Finicum, I did it for you and gave you the video. Watch it. Or don't. Your choice.

I know full well you were trying to make a point with the O.J case... Your point failed. He was beyond guilty, and even the jurors admitted that later. But they got caught up in his celebrity and even went so far as to say they were worried about his children losing both their parents. As if any child needs a murderer for a dad. And the guy keeps getting himself thrown back in prison. He's CLEARLY deranged.

You know why you never heard of Lavoy Finicum? Because nobody talks about it when a white person gets killed, unless they are famous. My mother knew about his death months before I ever heard anything, and SHE told me one day. If she hadn't, I still wouldn't know. When I saw the video, I couldn't believe this wasn't a big deal all over the place. But then I thought about it, and I realized it wasn't surprising at all that I hadn't heard.

There is just as much crime against white or hispanic people. This isn't the 50's or 60's anymore. But you won't hear about it. People like you are the one's running this media circus out to "prove" that the black man is oppressed by the white man. There are so many people bending over backwards to cater to the feelings of over sensitive minorities, and yet the moment someone sees some injustice, or hat they perceive to be an injustice, they automatically blow it up to look like the whole country is racist.

You know why you are considered a minority right? It means you're outnumbered. If this situation were even half as bad as you think it is, you wouldn't be sitting there freely typing your BS. You are not being oppressed, nor do I think you should be, despite how little respect I have for you right now.

Dont waste your time anymore. He's a dumba$$.

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nola_swammi 08-31-2016 09:05 AM

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You don't have to research Lavoy Finicum, I did it for you and gave you the video. Watch it. Or don't. Your choice.

I know full well you were trying to make a point with the O.J case... Your point failed. He was beyond guilty, and even the jurors admitted that later. But they got caught up in his celebrity and even went so far as to say they were worried about his children losing both their parents. As if any child needs a murderer for a dad. And the guy keeps getting himself thrown back in prison. He's CLEARLY deranged.

You know why you never heard of Lavoy Finicum? Because nobody talks about it when a white person gets killed, unless they are famous. My mother knew about his death months before I ever heard anything, and SHE told me one day. If she hadn't, I still wouldn't know. When I saw the video, I couldn't believe this wasn't a big deal all over the place. But then I thought about it, and I realized it wasn't surprising at all that I hadn't heard.

There is just as much crime against white or hispanic people. This isn't the 50's or 60's anymore. But you won't hear about it. People like you are the one's running this media circus out to "prove" that the black man is oppressed by the white man. There are so many people bending over backwards to cater to the feelings of over sensitive minorities, and yet the moment someone sees some injustice, or what they perceive to be an injustice, they automatically blow it up to look like the whole country is racist.

You know why you are considered a minority right? It means you're outnumbered. If this situation were even half as bad as you think it is, you wouldn't be sitting there freely typing your BS. You are not being oppressed, nor do I think you should be, despite how little respect I have for you right now.

The feelings are mutal, I don't have any respect nor do I like you! You ask stupid questions so I should expect you to be a stupid individual. Nonetheless, I will continue to prove my points than make dumb accusations.

burningmetal 08-31-2016 10:22 AM

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The feelings are mutal, I don't have any respect nor do I like you! You ask stupid questions so I should expect you to be a stupid individual. Nonetheless, I will continue to prove my points than make dumb accusations.
COP SHOOTS MAN FOR NO SEAT BELT & GETTING LICENSE - YouTube

I have some sad news for you. No one here respects you. I know that because anybody posts videos and tries to use O.J Simpson as an example, then calls everyone stupid.... Well that person is a special kind of pathetic and ignorant.

You've made ZERO points. All you've done is post videos. You won't go looking for video's showing white people being abused by cops are by blacks. You scour the internet for anything you can use for your hatred of cops and whites.

You've been made a fool by several people. Just go back to bed. Your hatred is showing more with every post.

nola_swammi 08-31-2016 11:03 AM

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I have some sad news for you. No one here respects you. I know that because anybody posts videos and tries to use O.J Simpson as an example, then calls everyone stupid.... Well that person is a special kind of pathetic and ignorant.

You've made ZERO points. All you've done is post videos. You won't go looking for video's showing white people being abused by cops are by blacks. You scour the internet for anything you can use for your hatred of cops and whites.

You've been made a fool by several people. Just go back to bed. Your hatred is showing more with every post.

Listen clearly, I give a rat A** what you think about me. You try so hard to switch the conversation from the subject of the brutality toward blacks with no success. If you claim to be the spokesman for EVERYONE in America really prove how dumb you are. I have no hatred toward cops or whites and in your case other, I don't like you but no hatred. I am simply saying wrong is wrong and right is right. When cops think more in line that when they cross path with a black individual they need to be more aggressive thats were the injustice plays a part.

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exiled 09-01-2016 12:24 AM

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In school they used to broadcast the Star Spangled Banner on the intercom system everyday and forced us to stand and then give our pledge of allegiance to the flag.

My friends and I sat through both - telling our selves we were protesting the Vietnam war. My older brother was of drafting age... There was much discussion and condemnation about it, the first time... but after a very few times the school just decided to ignore it, saying we had the right to do what we wanted and we did not have to Pledge our Allegiance.

The "controversy" blew over and of course the war went on.

I am a much older now, but still swell with pride knowing that I don't have to stand for the National Anthem. In fact I can't think of anything more UN-American than to be told you MUST stand for the National Anthem.

Reading these 7or so pages of folks saying how people have fought for and died for that flag. I respect the troops, for fighting and dieing for the right NOT to stand for a song, a flag or to take a pledge of Allegiance.

There is police brutality. There is. Period. There is a disproportionate amount of black incarceration. The police brutality may be less than in years past - for we have come a long way baby. I know I was raised in the segregated south. But unlike then, we today we have cell phones and other forms of instant communication that feed us a steady diet of how far we have yet to come.

People are upset about it. And I don't blame them. You should be to.

I stand up for this minor Quarterback and his right to sit down. He is standing up for many that can not stand up for them selves - by sitting down. His action sparked the dialogue that we are having right now.

On an national level, continued dialogue may just help to quell the problem.

True, Muhammad Ali he is not. But that makes it all the more important. and frankly, brave. Ali was a celebrity and risked and lost a great deal for his stand. However, in many ways, being a minor actor on a big stage Kaepernick is risking more.

I truly believe sports is an excellent place for kind of action, and I hope he inspires more athletes to behave similarly. In short, it worked. Sports draws a very diverse audience. And such actions gets us talking about the issues. Most if us have played at least enough of some organized game to learn a little sportsmanship when broaching such topics to be civil.

burningmetal 09-01-2016 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 715379)
Listen clearly, I give a rat A** what you think about me. You try so hard to switch the conversation from the subject of the brutality toward blacks with no success. If you claim to be the spokesman for EVERYONE in America really prove how dumb you are. I have no hatred toward cops or whites and in your case other, I don't like you but no hatred. I am simply saying wrong is wrong and right is right. When cops think more in line that when they cross path with a black individual they need to be more aggressive thats were the injustice plays a part.

First of all, I'm white, not "other". Whatever that was supposed to mean.

I haven't avoided your crap one little bit. I have told you time and again that if you just want to scour the internet for videos of blacks being beaten or shot, you can do that. But if you want to be honest and quit playing the victim, you will ACTUALLY SEARCH beyond the walls of your insecurity that somehow only blacks are being targeted. Or that it's disproportionate in favor of blacks being killed.

I'm not a troll. I don't want to liter this forum with youtube videos. So I've tried to reason with you. But all you can do is call me stupid. So hear you go... Here's my impression of you, only with opposite colors.





A.8Manning 09-01-2016 04:25 AM

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whether you stand up and stare at a flag is the most unimportant thing on earth. Symbolism is pointless/meaningless.

youll forget about this when the Vikings pick him up and Minn. runs down hill all season in that shiny new dome.

burningmetal 09-01-2016 04:37 AM

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There's plenty more where that came from, but I'm not going to waste any more time than I already have in posting videos that could easily be found by anyone who wants look for it. If you are really about truth, go and see the rest for yourself. I can cherry pick video's just like you, it's not hard. That's my problem with you, and that's my problem with this whole narrative of black oppression.

If you were, as you claim, against police brutality, then you would be talking about ALL of the crime out there. But instead you just look for what supports your opinions.

Roughly twice as many whites, in the past year or so, have been killed by cops as blacks have. But where is this in the media? Where are the videos I posted in the media? You don't think it's just a little odd? Why are we outraged about violence against blacks instead of being outraged against violence, period?

Many of the stories that come out about cop brutality are grainy, choppy videos with no context as to what started it. Is there real police brutality? Of course there is. There are bad people in the world, and the vast, vast majority of them are NOT cops. But a few of them end up making their way into law enforcement and, well, you give a bad man a badge and a gun (he would have a gun anyway) and you have a real problem. But if you take cops away, then everybody dies.

But in the media, it's all focused on the bad cops and even cops who haven't done anything wrong, who are being accused of murder simply because of the color of the person they shot. There ARE REAL CRIMINALS, who are not cops, as well. How quickly society has forgotten that. We'd rather start a racial war than to ACTUALLY do something about what's going on.

That's what's wrong with sitting for the national anthem and citing mistreatment of minorities as your reasoning. It's inaccurate to say that there is a disproportion, firstly, but in saying that he is also belittling the problems that so many others are facing. That's selfish, and if it's not prejudiced, I don't know what is.

And you know what's sad? When you tell someone that more whites are being killed than blacks, people say it's because there are more white people......... Wow. Yeah, there ARE more white people. But if this is supposedly a concentrated war against black people, then why are the numbers still doubled?

So if I line up 100 white people and 5 black people in front of a firing squad, and I decide to shoot 60 of the whites and 4 of the five black people, that means I killed 60 percent of the whites and 80 percent of the blacks, right? Simple arithmetic. But then the question has to be asked... Why did I pick 100 white people and only 5 blacks?

The point there is really simple. It doesn't matter the population percentage of one color to another. If you are killing more of the other, you are still killing more of the other, and in no way is the significance diminished. We have a CRIME PROBLEM. And it is not about race or being cop vs. being a civilian. And we will never make it right by pointing fingers at one side.

burningmetal 09-01-2016 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 715487)
whether you stand up and stare at a flag is the most unimportant thing on earth. Symbolism is pointless/meaningless.

youll forget about this when the Vikings pick him up and Minn. runs down hill all season in that shiny new dome.

That's a pretty lazy way to look at it. It isn't merely the symbolism of standing or not standing for a flag. It was his reasoning behind it. And that is what we're discussing. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". If he had said that was his reason, we'd still be calling him a loser, but at least his intentions would be more clear. His reasons are instead very misguided, and he's just following along with this movement of playing the race card.

As far as him having the right. He was allowed to do it and wasn't thrown in prison, right? And we aren't saying to throw him in prison. That's all "rights" afford anyone. It doesn't shield you from criticism. People need to get that straight.

saintfan 09-01-2016 02:03 PM

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You folks know what was a sizeable portion of the Haight/Asbury population in the 60s? Kids from Marin.

See, the rich kids from Marin used to come down to the Haight, smoke a little pot, dream about Utopia, then go back home to the parent's houses on hill sides overlooking the San Francisco Bay or the Pacific Ocean.

Not all of course. There were a lot of things that converged there as most of us know, and many who were there were truly trying to make change. After 67 it became a Heroin fest and the rest is a pretty sad history.

But there were some genuinely political people involved who did make some genuinely good arguments against the establishment. It got bastardized and that's pretty much that.

To Kaepernick, here's what we know:
  • Took the league by storm
  • league figures him out (like is usually does)
  • Looses his starting gig
  • has contract squabbles with Niners
  • Won't renegotiate his 11 million to leave and start with Denver
  • Gets involved with BLM DJ Hottie
  • Converts to Islam
  • Starts wearing Castro t-shirts but nobody cares because the Che Gueva ship sailed in the 60s
  • Starts wearing socks with pigs wearing police hats - nobody cares
  • Isn't getting enough attention so sits during anthem

And all over the internet people lose their damn minds. Look this kid is looking for attention and couldn't hold an equitable conversation on the subject of his protest even with someone like me. The hottie DJ probably has as much to do with his 'protest for the downtrodden' as any true activism he might have in his tiny, pea brain. Probably (likely) much much more.

So y'all keep on yelling back and forth. Few of you can see the forest for the trees, but some of you can, and I like you. The rest of you are sheep. This isn't a race thing this is a guy trying to please his girl who also craves the spotlight that shined on him briefly...before we all came to understand he's not a very good QB.

Simple simple. Here endeth the lesson.

nola_swammi 09-01-2016 03:43 PM

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First of all, I'm white, not "other". Whatever that was supposed to mean.

I haven't avoided your crap one little bit. I have told you time and again that if you just want to scour the internet for videos of blacks being beaten or shot, you can do that. But if you want to be honest and quit playing the victim, you will ACTUALLY SEARCH beyond the walls of your insecurity that somehow only blacks are being targeted. Or that it's disproportionate in favor of blacks being killed.

I'm not a troll. I don't want to liter this forum with youtube videos. So I've tried to reason with you. But all you can do is call me stupid. So hear you go... Here's my impression of you, only with opposite colors.

Police kill more whites than blacks. You just don't hear about it. - YouTube

Police Asked To See Her Gun Then They Shot Her - YouTube

Police Taze And Shoot Unarmed White Teen 7 Times Before Killing Him....NO CHARGES FILED - YouTube

Police in Ottawa, Kansas fatally shot unarmed white teen 16 times! WTF? - YouTube

How does this help your argument? You might need to go back and read my statements if you think I said white people are not targeted, also! I can only come to a conclusion that you think IF WHITE PEOPLE ARE TARGETED WHY SHOULD BLACK PEOPLE PROTEST? ARE YOU SAYING IF WHITE PEOPLE TARGETED WHY IS IT A BLACK LIVE MATTER MOVEMENT INSTEAD OF A ALL LIVES MATTER? Well if you asking why is it a black live matter movement, the simple answer to this in MY OPINION is that after many complaints by blacks that police are targeting blacks many people refused to believe. people will say they must deserve what happen to them, the police was using self defense or the most ridiculous one is they cause the injury to themselves. well after the Rodney King beating was broadcast on T.V. people thought that will shed the light on the truth and justice will prevail but as you and I know the officers were acquitted of any wrong doing. Why would blacks believe in JUSTICE FOR ALL after that slap in the face? Then the assaults by pedestrian (STAND YOUR GROUND LAW) was causing a lot of blacks to be killed are assaulted (TRAYVON MARTIN tapes clearly was evidence that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon after the 911 responder told him not to follow) now you have a series of events that happening within the year with clear footage of what is happening, so that's started the BLACK LIVES MOVEMENT. Its not to say white people or other don't matter. Its to let people know we are tired of seeing our children, daughters, sons and men being slaughtered with NO JUSTICE NO PEACE


saintfan 09-01-2016 03:56 PM

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How does this help your argument? You might need to go back and read my statements if you think I said white people are not targeted, also! I can only come to a conclusion that you think IF WHITE PEOPLE ARE TARGETED WHY SHOULD BLACK PEOPLE PROTEST? ARE YOU SAYING IF WHITE PEOPLE TARGETED WHY IS IT A BLACK LIVE MATTER MOVEMENT INSTEAD OF A ALL LIVES MATTER? Well if you asking why is it a black live matter movement, the simple answer to this in MY OPINION is that after many complaints by blacks that police are targeting blacks many people refused to believe. people will say they must deserve what happen to them, the police was using self defense or the most ridiculous one is they cause the injury to themselves. well after the Rodney King beating was broadcast on T.V. people thought that will shed the light on the truth and justice will prevail but as you and I know the officers were acquitted of any wrong doing. Why would blacks believe in JUSTICE FOR ALL after that slap in the face? Then the assaults by pedestrian (STAND YOUR GROUND LAW) was preventing a lot of blacks to be killed are assaulted (TRAYVON MARTIN) now you have a series of events that happening within the year with clear footage of what is happening, so that's started the BLACK LIVES MOVEMENT. Its not to say white people or other don't matter. Its to let people know we are tired of seeing our children, daughters, sons and men being slaughtered with NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

Want to know what happens to a guy like me who chooses to exercise his 'rights' and walk down certain streets in Oakland, CA after dark? Wanna know why I don't? Wanna know the color of the man giving me such very good advice, and why?

Wanna know?
Give a ****?
Bet not.

It's hard to change a man's ethos, and yours needs changing. BLM didn't bring attention to a damn thing. There exists corruption in every corner of every thing on the face of this earth so long as people are involved. You're using color as an excuse, just like Trayvon Martin. Just like Oscar Grant. Just like so many others.

Simply acting right will keep you and your kids out of most trouble, even in the face of corrupt cops. Sure works for me and my kids, and all my black friends and their kids too. Just acting right will do it. That's color blind. Black. White. Orange. Yellow. Yes sir Mr Officer. No sir Mr Officer. You may loathe the Son of a ***** for stopping you, harassing you, writing you a ticket, asking you questions. Whatever. Your experience is no different than mine. Bet.

You appear to be capable only to see only what you've been programmed to see and you're not enlightened enough to get out and take a universal stand - you only see color and you can't even admit it to yourself.

It's like that woman who said she was on the beach with her young daughter when they saw a truck drive down the road with a rebel flag and this woman clutched her child and trembled in fear at the sight. So yeah, her kid is going to grow up fearing a symbol, and she may never truly understand why. That's what I'm talking about, but I'll go ahead and bet the family farm you won't get it.

SmashMouth 09-01-2016 04:29 PM

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Meanwhile...anti-cop socks?

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nola_swammi 09-01-2016 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 715559)
Want to know what happens to a guy like me who chooses to exercise his 'rights' and walk down certain streets in Oakland, CA after dark? Wanna know why I don't? Wanna know the color of the man giving me such very good advice, and why?

Wanna know?
Give a ****?
Bet not.

It's hard to change a man's ethos, and yours needs changing. BLM didn't bring attention to a damn thing. There exists corruption in every corner of every thing on the face of this earth so long as people are involved. You're using color as an excuse, just like Trayvon Martin. Just like Oscar Grant. Just like so many others.

Simply acting right will keep you and your kids out of most trouble, even in the face of corrupt cops. Sure works for me and my kids, and all my black friends and their kids too. Just acting right will do it. That's color blind. Black. White. Orange. Yellow. Yes sir Mr Officer. No sir Mr Officer. You may loathe the Son of a ***** for stopping you, harassing you, writing you a ticket, asking you questions. Whatever. Your experience is no different than mine. Bet.

You appear to be capable only to see only what you've been programmed to see and you're not enlightened enough to get out and take a universal stand - you only see color and you can't even admit it to yourself.

It's like that woman who said she was on the beach with her young daughter when they saw a truck drive down the road with a rebel flag and this woman clutched her child and trembled in fear at the sight. So yeah, her kid is going to grow up fearing a symbol, and she may never truly understand why. That's what I'm talking about, but I'll go ahead and bet the family farm you won't get it.


Want to know what happens to a guy like me who chooses to exercise his 'rights' and walk down certain streets in Oakland, CA after dark?HOW CAN I ANSWER THAT? I DONT LIVE IN OAKLAND, IF YOU TOO SCARED TO WALK ASK A FRIEND OR A TRUSTWORTHY OFFICER TO WALK YOU *STUPID OR IRREVELANT QUESTIONS, GOOGLE*



You're using color as an excuse, just like Trayvon Martin. Just like Oscar Grant. Just like so many others. HOW AM I USING THIS AS A EXCUSE, WHAT AM I TRYING TO EXCUSE? IF YOU DISLIKE SOMETHING YOU SPEAK UP(PROTEST) IF YOU THE TYPE PERSON THAT SO OH WELL SORROW ME AND DO NOTHING THATS YOUR RIGHT


Simply acting right will keep you and your kids out of most trouble, even in the face of corrupt cops. Sure works for me and my kids, and all my black friends and their kids too. Just acting right will do it. That's color blind. Black. White. Orange. Yellow. Yes sir Mr Officer. No sir Mr Officer. WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF CORRUPT COP? THAT IS STUPID, IF YOU THINK A CORRUPT COP CARE IF YOU ACT RIGHT

You appear to be capable only to see only what you've been programmed to see and you're not enlightened enough to get out and take a universal stand - you only see color and you can't even admit it to yourself. IS THIS LATEST EXCUSE AGAINST PEOPLE WHO SPEAK OUT, THAT I AM PROGRAMMED, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM READING ANYTHING I WRITE AND I WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOU ;)


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