Colin Kaepernick-discuss

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.))

no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing.
Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance.

how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ?

[[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]]

how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State!

{{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }}

please tell me you are joking?
how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont?
The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game.

Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country.

If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess?

How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song.

But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower.

And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people.

The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents?

Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right?

Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize.

A.8Manning · 09-02-2016, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country.

If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess?

How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song.

But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower.

And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people.

The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents?

Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right?

Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize.

{{Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own.}}

wrong,..its the fact that people buy into something being important that is not. media and govt portrayed to you that national pride is supposed to be a thing. Its a false reality created by people in power. God does not care who is waving what ever flag.

people dying in wars have/has nothing to do with national pride.
War was created by propaganda you choose to believe. It doesnt matter who died in what country,its all bad regardless.

you think people died for freedom because media told you thats why.
we have no freedom. A system was designed that forces you to get jobs to pay off debts. You have to live to work instead of working to live.
your work day causes you to be nothing but be tired so you watch a boob tube and believe everything you are told.Medical is now supposed to be a privilege instead of something we should all get without question.

this is the dumbest crap ever and its on national news. people are wasting time debating a dumb jock and saluting a flag.. I'm being redundant.
the fact I said this was Orwellian should have sunk in.
I dont need to be seen in public saluting a flag to prove I care about soldiers or dead soldiers. Its a waste of time talking about it. Its a waste of reality to think it means anything. They have to make people believe its for freedom so they tolerate being told to go die.

you dont get my simple concept because you believe everything media tells you.
its the perfect storm of stupidity. A stupid picture of a kid sitting during the national anthem..he says he's being pro black and anti police and boom,then someone has to bring up military and not saluting a flag means not respecting military and he happens to be playing a large military city in san diego and the announcers have to make sure they repeatedly say that he didnt do it properly during national anthem.
its the most pointless crap on earth but because it was on tv,everyone thinks its important.....

ok lol, no more about this. Thank you,have a nice day

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

{{Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own.}}

wrong,..its the fact that people buy into something being important that is not. media and govt portrayed to you that national pride is supposed to be a thing. Its a false reality created by people in power. God does not care who is waving what ever flag.

people dying in wars have/has nothing to do with national pride.
War was created by propaganda you choose to believe. It doesnt matter who died in what country,its all bad regardless.

you think people died for freedom because media told you thats why.
we have no freedom. A system was designed that forces you to get jobs to pay off debts. You have to live to work instead of working to live.
your work day causes you to be nothing but be tired so you watch a boob tube and believe everything you are told.Medical is now supposed to be a privilege instead of something we should all get without question.

this is the dumbest crap ever and its on national news. people are wasting time debating a dumb jock and saluting a flag.. I'm being redundant.
the fact I said this was Orwellian should have sunk in.
I dont need to be seen in public saluting a flag to prove I care about soldiers or dead soldiers. Its a waste of time talking about it. Its a waste of reality to think it means anything. They have to make people believe its for freedom so they tolerate being told to go die.

you dont get my simple concept because you believe everything media tells you.
its the perfect storm of stupidity. A stupid picture of a kid sitting during the national anthem..he says he's being pro black and anti police and boom,then someone has to bring up military and not saluting a flag means not respecting military and he happens to be playing a large military city in san diego and the announcers have to make sure they repeatedly say that he didnt do it properly during national anthem.
its the most pointless crap on earth but because it was on tv,everyone thinks its important.....

ok lol, no more about this. Thank you,have a nice day

You are just a bitter little person right now, aren't you? You think my mind is controlled by the media, despite the fact that I have been arguing the media-spoon fed lie of racism being at the core of every negative thing that happens in this country?

I pride myself in being the exact opposite of every thing you say I am. You and I do not see eye to eye on what the flag represents, but you also fail to understand that this subject only started with his refusal to stand. It was his reason that really agitated people like me. He is following what others want him to believe. The very thing you are trying to accuse me of. Yet here I am spending my time explaining how foolish all of this crap is about black oppression.

And all you can do is sit there and tell us that the flag is a meaningless symbol. Why don't you take the time to come up with a thought that actually does mean something. Why don't YOU take on the subject of racial bias?

No you just go with the typical basement dwelling sentiment of "everything is a lie and nothing anyone says is real". Well that really pinpoints the matter doesn't it? We're all just dust in the wind, with nowhere to go. I'm sorry you have such a defeatist outlook on life, but that's your problem. I don't like the way things are, but I'm not going to resign myself to the idea that I'm just stuck in a bottomless pit of misery. I could be living in a third world country, starving, diseased, and TRULY oppressed. But I'm not, and neither or you.

The media made us believe that America fought for it's independence over England? The media made us believe that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and the Germans were slaughtering millions of people in it's conquest for world domination? So we just should have stood by, as the most powerful adversary to stop them, and allowed ourselves to become slaves or be slaughtered with the rest of them because the media just made it all up?

3,000 people died on September 11th, 2001, and we saw the devastation with our own eyes, but we should not have gone to war because the media somehow made that up, too?

You want to bring God into your argument? Well, I'm a christian. So allow me to illustrate something to you. You say God doesn't care who waves what flag. He also doesn't care who wins a game, or who has more money. What's your point? Does having financial security mean nothing to you, either? God said love thy neighbor. Did he say disrespect thy neighbor? If someone legitimately has something they need to take a stand for, that's fine. Calling out the country for it's treatment of black people, while white people are facing the same problems shows incredible ignorance and lack of true compassion. It's not as if he disrespected the the flag, itself, and nothing else. You know full well that when someone says "don't disrespect the flag" that means don't disrespect America. When someone burns a flag the people of that country get angry because it is clearly seen as a message of hatred towards their homeland. And that IS the exact intent of those responsible for burning the flag.

Now sitting down during the anthem isn't as extreme, but there is an intended message, and we all got the message and most of us don't appreciate the sentiment.

But as far as symbolism, itself... It is used in the Bible. Breaking Bread in remembrance of Jesus' body which was broken, and drinking wine in remembrance of His blood that was shed.

National pride isn't the same as worshiping Jesus, before you try to accuse me of suggesting that. But the point is that symbolism has it's place. No one is bowing for the flag. It's called observing. It's a sign of respect, something you clearly don't seem to believe in. The media never told anyone to recognize the flag. The flag, our freedom, our rights, and everything this country was founded on came long before there was ever such a thing as media.

Don't be a fool.

09-02-2016, 02:21 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning ((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.)) no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing. Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance. how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ? [[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]] how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State! {{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }} please tell me you are joking? how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont? The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game. Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country. If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess? How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song. But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower. And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people. The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents? Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right? Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-02-2016, 07:39 AM	#2
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by burningmetal Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country. If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess? How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song. But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower. And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people. The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents? Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right? Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize. {{Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own.}} wrong,..its the fact that people buy into something being important that is not. media and govt portrayed to you that national pride is supposed to be a thing. Its a false reality created by people in power. God does not care who is waving what ever flag. people dying in wars have/has nothing to do with national pride. War was created by propaganda you choose to believe. It doesnt matter who died in what country,its all bad regardless. you think people died for freedom because media told you thats why. we have no freedom. A system was designed that forces you to get jobs to pay off debts. You have to live to work instead of working to live. your work day causes you to be nothing but be tired so you watch a boob tube and believe everything you are told.Medical is now supposed to be a privilege instead of something we should all get without question. this is the dumbest crap ever and its on national news. people are wasting time debating a dumb jock and saluting a flag.. I'm being redundant. the fact I said this was Orwellian should have sunk in. I dont need to be seen in public saluting a flag to prove I care about soldiers or dead soldiers. Its a waste of time talking about it. Its a waste of reality to think it means anything. They have to make people believe its for freedom so they tolerate being told to go die. you dont get my simple concept because you believe everything media tells you. its the perfect storm of stupidity. A stupid picture of a kid sitting during the national anthem..he says he's being pro black and anti police and boom,then someone has to bring up military and not saluting a flag means not respecting military and he happens to be playing a large military city in san diego and the announcers have to make sure they repeatedly say that he didnt do it properly during national anthem. its the most pointless crap on earth but because it was on tv,everyone thinks its important..... ok lol, no more about this. Thank you,have a nice day
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120

09-02-2016, 08:25 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning {{Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own.}} wrong,..its the fact that people buy into something being important that is not. media and govt portrayed to you that national pride is supposed to be a thing. Its a false reality created by people in power. God does not care who is waving what ever flag. people dying in wars have/has nothing to do with national pride. War was created by propaganda you choose to believe. It doesnt matter who died in what country,its all bad regardless. you think people died for freedom because media told you thats why. we have no freedom. A system was designed that forces you to get jobs to pay off debts. You have to live to work instead of working to live. your work day causes you to be nothing but be tired so you watch a boob tube and believe everything you are told.Medical is now supposed to be a privilege instead of something we should all get without question. this is the dumbest crap ever and its on national news. people are wasting time debating a dumb jock and saluting a flag.. I'm being redundant. the fact I said this was Orwellian should have sunk in. I dont need to be seen in public saluting a flag to prove I care about soldiers or dead soldiers. Its a waste of time talking about it. Its a waste of reality to think it means anything. They have to make people believe its for freedom so they tolerate being told to go die. you dont get my simple concept because you believe everything media tells you. its the perfect storm of stupidity. A stupid picture of a kid sitting during the national anthem..he says he's being pro black and anti police and boom,then someone has to bring up military and not saluting a flag means not respecting military and he happens to be playing a large military city in san diego and the announcers have to make sure they repeatedly say that he didnt do it properly during national anthem. its the most pointless crap on earth but because it was on tv,everyone thinks its important..... ok lol, no more about this. Thank you,have a nice day You are just a bitter little person right now, aren't you? You think my mind is controlled by the media, despite the fact that I have been arguing the media-spoon fed lie of racism being at the core of every negative thing that happens in this country? I pride myself in being the exact opposite of every thing you say I am. You and I do not see eye to eye on what the flag represents, but you also fail to understand that this subject only started with his refusal to stand. It was his reason that really agitated people like me. He is following what others want him to believe. The very thing you are trying to accuse me of. Yet here I am spending my time explaining how foolish all of this crap is about black oppression. And all you can do is sit there and tell us that the flag is a meaningless symbol. Why don't you take the time to come up with a thought that actually does mean something. Why don't YOU take on the subject of racial bias? No you just go with the typical basement dwelling sentiment of "everything is a lie and nothing anyone says is real". Well that really pinpoints the matter doesn't it? We're all just dust in the wind, with nowhere to go. I'm sorry you have such a defeatist outlook on life, but that's your problem. I don't like the way things are, but I'm not going to resign myself to the idea that I'm just stuck in a bottomless pit of misery. I could be living in a third world country, starving, diseased, and TRULY oppressed. But I'm not, and neither or you. The media made us believe that America fought for it's independence over England? The media made us believe that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and the Germans were slaughtering millions of people in it's conquest for world domination? So we just should have stood by, as the most powerful adversary to stop them, and allowed ourselves to become slaves or be slaughtered with the rest of them because the media just made it all up? 3,000 people died on September 11th, 2001, and we saw the devastation with our own eyes, but we should not have gone to war because the media somehow made that up, too? You want to bring God into your argument? Well, I'm a christian. So allow me to illustrate something to you. You say God doesn't care who waves what flag. He also doesn't care who wins a game, or who has more money. What's your point? Does having financial security mean nothing to you, either? God said love thy neighbor. Did he say disrespect thy neighbor? If someone legitimately has something they need to take a stand for, that's fine. Calling out the country for it's treatment of black people, while white people are facing the same problems shows incredible ignorance and lack of true compassion. It's not as if he disrespected the the flag, itself, and nothing else. You know full well that when someone says "don't disrespect the flag" that means don't disrespect America. When someone burns a flag the people of that country get angry because it is clearly seen as a message of hatred towards their homeland. And that IS the exact intent of those responsible for burning the flag. Now sitting down during the anthem isn't as extreme, but there is an intended message, and we all got the message and most of us don't appreciate the sentiment. But as far as symbolism, itself... It is used in the Bible. Breaking Bread in remembrance of Jesus' body which was broken, and drinking wine in remembrance of His blood that was shed. National pride isn't the same as worshiping Jesus, before you try to accuse me of suggesting that. But the point is that symbolism has it's place. No one is bowing for the flag. It's called observing. It's a sign of respect, something you clearly don't seem to believe in. The media never told anyone to recognize the flag. The flag, our freedom, our rights, and everything this country was founded on came long before there was ever such a thing as media. Don't be a fool.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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