Colin Kaepernick-discuss

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.))

no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing.
Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance.

how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ?

[[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]]

how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State!

{{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }}

please tell me you are joking?
how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont?
The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game.

Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country.

If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess?

How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song.

But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower.

And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people.

The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents?

Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right?

Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize.

09-02-2016, 02:21 AM	#11
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning ((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.)) no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing. Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance. how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ? [[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]] how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State! {{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }} please tell me you are joking? how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont? The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game. Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country. If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess? How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song. But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower. And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people. The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents? Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right? Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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