New Stadium Resolution.....

saintswhodi · 07-02-2007, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

First of all, what the commentators were saying was pretty cut and dry, there's no mistaken anything, you said yourself that San Antonians didn't have money to waste on a Championship game that they knew the Spurs were going to win. Name any other city or Sporting event that the fans have that type of mentality, like I said before, San Antonio would not support the New Orleans Saints period, if they were so ready for an NFL franchise they would have one. The Houston Oilers moved to Tennessee not San Antonio, don't you think if San Antonio was ready for an NFL franchise they would have gladly put the Oilers in another part of Texas, I think so. The Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, not even a hint about San Antonio, TX., why do you think that is? Because they not ready. The NFL introduced two expansion teams into the league, Jacksonville and Carolina, again none in San Antonio, you said it would work because of all the people who are Cowboys fans who can't travel to the games and the 100,000 fans that watched the Cardinals and 49ers game in Mexico. If that were the case don't you think San Antonio would've landed an NFL franchise by now with all the movement that went on in the last 10 years or so. The NFL don't trust cities like San Antonio, if they can get bored with a Championship basketball team, what in God's green earth makes you think the Owners would vote on putting a franchise there. Like I said it's nothing personnal against San Antonio, but IMHO, the Saints just wouldn't survive in San Antonio, TX.

Wow, a lot more conjecture. Expected. You know why San Antonio was passed over previously? Cause it was nowhere near as big as it is now. Neither was Austin. Both have grown tremendously over the last decade. So I guess that answers why they didn't expand there. Also, the Spurs were 9th in the league in attendance in the regular season. Out of 30 teams. Does that sound like a fan base not supporting it's team? Everything you are saying is groundless, and I pray that people in the state of Louisiana who actually have the ability to do something about the Saints leaving are not thinking the same thing. It was the same thing with Oklahoma City. They weren't even on the NBA's map until they showed out in droves for the Hornets, just like when the Saints played in San Antonio. It took a tragic event to put the cities in their respective league's eyes, but they are there. Like I said, I have facts. You have conjecture based on overblowing some interviews you saw during the Finals. I wonder which is more relevant?

hagan714 · 07-02-2007, 10:12 AM

rebutt away

Nice to see ya again whodi.

saintswhodi · 07-02-2007, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

will NEVER have an NFL team unless Dallas relocates. Hell, when the Saints were there for the short time they were, all you saw in the stands were fans wearing Dallas gear. The mayor of San Antonio has no scrupples whatsoever and is classless. There is your FACT. By the way, you don't get an NFL team just because you have "grown" or are "big". Just ask LA. LA can't support a team because of their blaise fan base. You BRAG about being 9th in the league in NBA attendance, but YOU WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP! To me, 9th is PATHETIC when you have a dynasty team like the Spurs. How would San Antonionians respond with an expansion team like the Texans? Guarantee you after two losing seasons, they'd all be staying at home watching Homo and Dallas. Please do us Saints fans a favor and don't bemoan how great San Antonio is. They tried to steal us like a thief in the night and I have nothing for them but contempt.

*sigh* Who is "us Saints fans?" I'm a Saints fan. Born and raised in New Orleans. I left when I was 23 to join the army. You're no more a Saints fan than me. But I will combat unfounded bias and blatant mischaracterization. You know why the Spurs were 9th in attendance? Seating. Other arenas just hold more seats than the AT&T Center. There's a fact you ignored. Also, the Mayor of a city doesn't reflect all of it's people, unless you reflect Nagin. Benson tried to move our team "like a thief in the night" and he went to the mayors of San An, Austin, and Laredo to do so. Maybe you should point the finger where it belongs. Benson ONLY went back to New Orleans cause he was forced to. Hardburglar was like a salivating opportunist once BENSON voiced his want to move, but the people of San Antonio did not feel that way. At least the ones I deal with. No one wanted a team that way, so your saying "San Antonio" tried to steal the Saints is incorrect. A crooked owner and hard up mayor tried, and failed.

Second, what does it matter what gear was being worn in the stands? The Saints aren't from San Antonio. I was in the stands with OTHER SAINTS FANS in MY Saints gear, but how many Saints fans you think live in San Antonio? Oh, not many. That point doesn't even make sense. You wanted people to run out and buy jerseys for a team they would see 3 games, and give up teams they have probably had for life? Really? Come on now. The difference would be if they actually were the San Antonio Saints, which Thank God they aren't.

Third, San Antonio differs from L.A. in that L.A. has tried and failed, and there are NUMEROUS other interests in L.A. outside of football, not the least of which is USC. A football team would instantly be the biggest thing in this whole area, bigger than the Spurs even, cause the NFL AS A LEAGUE is head and shoulders above the NBA and any other sports league. That's another fact.

Here's another fact for you: Guess what the Patriots attendance was last year. 16th in the league. The Colts were dead last, the superbowl winner. See for yourself:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance

Even in superbowl years, the Pats never cracked the top 10 in attendance. Seems you are overrating that very insignificant fact, which is necessary I understand to push your point.

So please, check your "facts" and come again. Or don't. But at least try to be on the right track.

saintswhodi · 07-02-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

as I am now. For that I give you a big HOOAH! Other than that, I agree with you about Benson He is a traitor, but Hardturd is certainly no better. Please explain to me in your infinite wisdom, if San Antonio can build (supposedly) a brand new stadium for a football team, then why can't they build a new basketball stadium for a team who is approaching dynasty status? Says alot about the city to me. Say what you will. If you are from New Orleans, as you say you are, then be true to your heritage. Forget San Antonio. Truth be told, (since you're so big on that) they city REALLY did not support the Saints fully when they were there. Yeah, the "sold" tickets, but other than one game, it wasn't a packed house every game. I was there, I know. Only disproves your point about San Antonio not getting a team because "it isn't as big as it is now". New England and Indy certainly have big media markets and fan bases, yet yourself just disproved the fact that it didn't result in being tops in attendance. You proved my point about San Antonio not being worthy of a team just because they've grown. You can keep San Antonio. I wouldn't pis* on it if it were on fire.

I tried to understand some of this, but it got difficult. I'll piece together what I can:

Where did I say anything good about Hardburglar? Seems kinda redundant to tell me he is no better than Benson. He associated with scum and thus is scum. I never disagreed.

Second, where did I say San An was gonna build a brand new stadium for a football team? The talk was of San An, Austin, and Laredo combining on a venture, and the Lt. Gov of the state even mentioned allocating some funds to assist. Benson had gotten pretty deep on planning. Also, you may wanna update your knowledge on the stadium in San Antonio. The Spurs have played in 3 venues in the last 20 years or so. First the Hemisfair, then they moved to the Alamodome when it was built, and they got the AT&T Center just 5 years ago. Probably not smart to build a new basketball arena just 5 years after building one huh? So, what does that say about the city to you now?

And why would me living in San An cause me to "forget my heritage?" That's utterly ridiculous. Most all of my family lived in New Orleans up until Katrina, and most of them still do. How could I ever possibly "forget my heritage?" There is no where else I would claim as home other than New Orleans, but I have come to and do love San Antonio. It helped I had been a Spurs fan since they drafted David Robinson on my birthday 20 years ago though, and that my uncle was stationed here when he was in the Air Force, as well as my sister when she was in the Army.

The last point about the attendance must have been above my level. I wasn't able to put together anything to argue out of that, so i'll let it stand as is. I think my point about attendance levels for "championship teams" stands well enough on it's own, and has no bearing on supposed loyalty. It's something that's being made up now to push a point that has already been washed away. I'd really think about moving on from there, if there is anything else you want to add.

blacksaint · 07-02-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Wow, a lot more conjecture. Expected. You know why San Antonio was passed over previously? Cause it was nowhere near as big as it is now. Neither was Austin. Both have grown tremendously over the last decade. So I guess that answers why they didn't expand there. Also, the Spurs were 9th in the league in attendance in the regular season. Out of 30 teams. Does that sound like a fan base not supporting it's team? Everything you are saying is groundless, and I pray that people in the state of Louisiana who actually have the ability to do something about the Saints leaving are not thinking the same thing. It was the same thing with Oklahoma City. They weren't even on the NBA's map until they showed out in droves for the Hornets, just like when the Saints played in San Antonio. It took a tragic event to put the cities in their respective league's eyes, but they are there. Like I said, I have facts. You have conjecture based on overblowing some interviews you saw during the Finals. I wonder which is more relevant?

The facts you have are a little more bias than you want to admit. The fact that you proved my point a few posts ago when you said that San Antonians didn't have money to waste on a Championship finals that they knew the Spurs were going to win. During the finals that was all they talked about, the lack of excitement and interest the fans had in their home town team. Fact, there's always been Saints fans in Dallas, a hell of a lot more than in San Antonio. Fact, I knew at some point in this conversation you were going to bring up the Saints games in San Antonio, what you fail to mention was a lot of those fans that were in attendence were dislocated New Orleanians. Majority of those fans were true Saints fans from New Orleans, and that my friend is a FACT. I told you before, San Antonio is nothing more than leverage in contract talks for Mr. Benson and the State of Louisiana, as well as L.A. You honestly think Benson would pick San Antonio over Los Angeles when Texas have two franchises there already and L.A. have none, let's be real about this, it'll never happen. Look Whodi, I not disrespecting San Antonio in any way but the true facts remain, San Antonio will never, ever, have a NFL franchise located there, if it were possible it would have happen. And as far as Oklahoma City goes, what else is there? Nothing, no competition, the only thing in the State of Oklahoma are the Sooners and the Cowboys.

McKenzie · 07-02-2007, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

The facts you have are a little more bias than you want to admit. The fact that you proved my point a few posts ago when you said that San Antonians didn't have money to waste on a Championship finals that they knew the Spurs were going to win. During the finals that was all they talked about, the lack of excitement and interest the fans had in their home town team. Fact, there's always been Saints fans in Dallas, a hell of a lot more than in San Antonio. Fact, I knew at some point in this conversation you were going to bring up the Saints games in San Antonio, what you fail to mention was a lot of those fans that were in attendence were dislocated New Orleanians. Majority of those fans were true Saints fans from New Orleans, and that my friend is a FACT. I told you before, San Antonio is nothing more than leverage in contract talks for Mr. Benson and the State of Louisiana, as well as L.A. You honestly think Benson would pick San Antonio over Los Angeles when Texas have two franchises there already and L.A. have none, let's be real about this, it'll never happen. Look Whodi, I not disrespecting San Antonio in any way but the true facts remain, San Antonio will never, ever, have a NFL franchise located there, if it were possible it would have happen. And as far as Oklahoma City goes, what else is there? Nothing, no competition, the only thing in the State of Oklahoma are the Sooners and the Cowboys.

I have to be trithful and admit I live in San Antonio. I don't want to argue about the Saints coming here at all, but I can say this city is much bigger now than it was when Benson bought the team. He's said it many times...SA over L.A. We could and would love to have them here. Jones is the biggest opponent to the Saints coming here. He wants SA to stay Cowboy land. It's slipping from him, though. The Texans are getting more popular and the Saints...well, SA loved them and they are becoming more and more popular here.

saintswhodi · 07-02-2007, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by McKenzie

I have to be trithful and admit I live in San Antonio. I don't want to argue about the Saints coming here at all, but I can say this city is much bigger now than it was when Benson bought the team. He's said it many times...SA over L.A. We could and would love to have them here. Jones is the biggest opponent to the Saints coming here. He wants SA to stay Cowboy land. It's slipping from him, though. The Texans are getting more popular and the Saints...well, SA loved them and they are becoming more and more popular here.

It would take someone who lives here to know that. Thanks for speaking up.

McKenzie · 07-02-2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

It would take someone who lives here to know that. Thanks for speaking up.

No problem. I'm pretty frank on message boards. Expect me to be quite involved here.

SA was very proud to host the Saints. We took very good care of a team and organization in utter chaos. That schedule for 13 road games really did a number on them. 8-8 in 04 to 3-13 in 05. It was heartbreaking, but I was there for the 3 we had, spent a ton of bucks on shirts and stuff, taught people how to tailgate, took people who had never been to a pro game, not even Dallas, turned them away from being Dallas fans, and actually made friends with a couple who I met out and about in the city. I recall a Spurs game that Aaron Brooks attended with his family. The camera guys found him and blasted him up on the jumbotron. The At&T Center exploded in applause for him. He looked so shocked. See, most people in SA knew nothing of booing the Saints or wearing paper bags. We hardly got any coverage of the Saints here, so people just didn't know them.

Now they do and the Cowboys lost themselves a bunch of followers. You can buy more Saints stuff in SA than you can Texans. If you want Texans stuff, you need to order it online. It's scarse. I go with a group of friends on certain game days to a sports bar that has 4 big screens. They reserve one for the Saints. Always. They never get a smaller TV. And you should see all they people in Saints gear watching them....not the Cowboys.

I can't wait to be in Houston on Nov 18th. I got my seats from a friend who is now a Texan cheerleader and she already knows that I'll wear my fleur de lis that day.

I'll go to Dallas when the new place opens and the Saints play them. I want to see that monster, too.

FYI..if you can get the Holiday Inn Reliant, ask for a room with the view. It's all lit up at night and just gorgeous. And, you walk out the back door into the parking lot. Head to the left of Reliant to the Orange and Blue lots and just start talking to people. They'll feed you, offer beer. They really know how to throw it down. They are also very classy and won't hassle you for being a Saint.

p.s. What ever you do, DON'T wear your Reggie jersey. They are still pretty upset over that draft. They wanted VY, but would have taken Reggie over Williams.

saintswhodi · 07-02-2007, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by McKenzie

No problem. I'm pretty frank on message boards. Expect me to be quite involved here.

SA was very proud to host the Saints. We took very good care of a team and organization in utter chaos. That schedule for 13 road games really did a number on them. 8-8 in 04 to 3-13 in 05. It was heartbreaking, but I was there for the 3 we had, spent a ton of bucks on shirts and stuff, taught people how to tailgate, took people who had never been to a pro game, not even Dallas, turned them away from being Dallas fans, and actually made friends with a couple who I met out and about in the city. I recall a Spurs game that Aaron Brooks attended with his family. The camera guys found him and blasted him up on the jumbotron. The At&T Center exploded in applause for him. He looked so shocked. See, most people in SA knew nothing of booing the Saints or wearing paper bags. We hardly got any coverage of the Saints here, so people just didn't know them.

Now they do and the Cowboys lost themselves a bunch of followers. You can buy more Saints stuff in SA than you can Texans. If you want Texans stuff, you need to order it online. It's scarse. I go with a group of friends on certain game days to a sports bar that has 4 big screens. They reserve one for the Saints. Always. They never get a smaller TV. And you should see all they people in Saints gear watching them....not the Cowboys.

I can't wait to be in Houston on Nov 18th. I got my seats from a friend who is now a Texan cheerleader and she already knows that I'll wear my fleur de lis that day.

I'll go to Dallas when the new place opens and the Saints play them. I want to see that monster, too.

FYI..if you can get the Holiday Inn Reliant, ask for a room with the view. It's all lit up at night and just gorgeous. And, you walk out the back door into the parking lot. Head to the left of Reliant to the Orange and Blue lots and just start talking to people. They'll feed you, offer beer. They really know how to throw it down. They are also very classy and won't hassle you for being a Saint.

p.s. What ever you do, DON'T wear your Reggie jersey. They are still pretty upset over that draft. They wanted VY, but would have taken Reggie over Williams.

When I go, i'll prob just stay with my sis, who is gonna go too. She lives a mile or so from reliant, in the medical center area. But we'll be early enough to tailgate for sure. Glad to have you aboard here!

McKenzie · 07-02-2007, 05:50 PM

Extremely glad to be here. Finally! Like I said, SR just got absurd and after the Black & Gold Nation, the official site, went down, I was just lost. I was on the B&G from 01-04, when they closed down. Being from Texas, SR got very ugly to anyone from here. I haven't had a Saints board for 2 years, so all I can do is say THANK YOU! for being around. Have to thank Google, too. That's how I found you.

I'll be at Reliant at 6am. I have a group of friends in Orange Lot that I start with, move down a ways to another group for mid-morning food, into Blue for drinks with some former commercial divers, into Platinum. Then it's gametime. After the game, it's across Kirby to Yellow lot then back to Orange. We wind things up around 6pm. I tell you what. The Houston crowd is a good substitute for the Saints Family. They took me right in. Real good people. (Except about the draft thing....LOL)

07-02-2007, 08:20 AM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by blacksaint First of all, what the commentators were saying was pretty cut and dry, there's no mistaken anything, you said yourself that San Antonians didn't have money to waste on a Championship game that they knew the Spurs were going to win. Name any other city or Sporting event that the fans have that type of mentality, like I said before, San Antonio would not support the New Orleans Saints period, if they were so ready for an NFL franchise they would have one. The Houston Oilers moved to Tennessee not San Antonio, don't you think if San Antonio was ready for an NFL franchise they would have gladly put the Oilers in another part of Texas, I think so. The Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, not even a hint about San Antonio, TX., why do you think that is? Because they not ready. The NFL introduced two expansion teams into the league, Jacksonville and Carolina, again none in San Antonio, you said it would work because of all the people who are Cowboys fans who can't travel to the games and the 100,000 fans that watched the Cardinals and 49ers game in Mexico. If that were the case don't you think San Antonio would've landed an NFL franchise by now with all the movement that went on in the last 10 years or so. The NFL don't trust cities like San Antonio, if they can get bored with a Championship basketball team, what in God's green earth makes you think the Owners would vote on putting a franchise there. Like I said it's nothing personnal against San Antonio, but IMHO, the Saints just wouldn't survive in San Antonio, TX. Wow, a lot more conjecture. Expected. You know why San Antonio was passed over previously? Cause it was nowhere near as big as it is now. Neither was Austin. Both have grown tremendously over the last decade. So I guess that answers why they didn't expand there. Also, the Spurs were 9th in the league in attendance in the regular season. Out of 30 teams. Does that sound like a fan base not supporting it's team? Everything you are saying is groundless, and I pray that people in the state of Louisiana who actually have the ability to do something about the Saints leaving are not thinking the same thing. It was the same thing with Oklahoma City. They weren't even on the NBA's map until they showed out in droves for the Hornets, just like when the Saints played in San Antonio. It took a tragic event to put the cities in their respective league's eyes, but they are there. Like I said, I have facts. You have conjecture based on overblowing some interviews you saw during the Finals. I wonder which is more relevant?

07-02-2007, 02:34 PM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by saintsmissile will NEVER have an NFL team unless Dallas relocates. Hell, when the Saints were there for the short time they were, all you saw in the stands were fans wearing Dallas gear. The mayor of San Antonio has no scrupples whatsoever and is classless. There is your FACT. By the way, you don't get an NFL team just because you have "grown" or are "big". Just ask LA. LA can't support a team because of their blaise fan base. You BRAG about being 9th in the league in NBA attendance, but YOU WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP! To me, 9th is PATHETIC when you have a dynasty team like the Spurs. How would San Antonionians respond with an expansion team like the Texans? Guarantee you after two losing seasons, they'd all be staying at home watching Homo and Dallas. Please do us Saints fans a favor and don't bemoan how great San Antonio is. They tried to steal us like a thief in the night and I have nothing for them but contempt. sigh Who is "us Saints fans?" I'm a Saints fan. Born and raised in New Orleans. I left when I was 23 to join the army. You're no more a Saints fan than me. But I will combat unfounded bias and blatant mischaracterization. You know why the Spurs were 9th in attendance? Seating. Other arenas just hold more seats than the AT&T Center. There's a fact you ignored. Also, the Mayor of a city doesn't reflect all of it's people, unless you reflect Nagin. Benson tried to move our team "like a thief in the night" and he went to the mayors of San An, Austin, and Laredo to do so. Maybe you should point the finger where it belongs. Benson ONLY went back to New Orleans cause he was forced to. Hardburglar was like a salivating opportunist once BENSON voiced his want to move, but the people of San Antonio did not feel that way. At least the ones I deal with. No one wanted a team that way, so your saying "San Antonio" tried to steal the Saints is incorrect. A crooked owner and hard up mayor tried, and failed. Second, what does it matter what gear was being worn in the stands? The Saints aren't from San Antonio. I was in the stands with OTHER SAINTS FANS in MY Saints gear, but how many Saints fans you think live in San Antonio? Oh, not many. That point doesn't even make sense. You wanted people to run out and buy jerseys for a team they would see 3 games, and give up teams they have probably had for life? Really? Come on now. The difference would be if they actually were the San Antonio Saints, which Thank God they aren't. Third, San Antonio differs from L.A. in that L.A. has tried and failed, and there are NUMEROUS other interests in L.A. outside of football, not the least of which is USC. A football team would instantly be the biggest thing in this whole area, bigger than the Spurs even, cause the NFL AS A LEAGUE is head and shoulders above the NBA and any other sports league. That's another fact. Here's another fact for you: Guess what the Patriots attendance was last year. 16th in the league. The Colts were dead last, the superbowl winner. See for yourself: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance Even in superbowl years, the Pats never cracked the top 10 in attendance. Seems you are overrating that very insignificant fact, which is necessary I understand to push your point. So please, check your "facts" and come again. Or don't. But at least try to be on the right track.
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07-02-2007, 02:57 PM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by saintsmissile as I am now. For that I give you a big HOOAH! Other than that, I agree with you about Benson He is a traitor, but Hardturd is certainly no better. Please explain to me in your infinite wisdom, if San Antonio can build (supposedly) a brand new stadium for a football team, then why can't they build a new basketball stadium for a team who is approaching dynasty status? Says alot about the city to me. Say what you will. If you are from New Orleans, as you say you are, then be true to your heritage. Forget San Antonio. Truth be told, (since you're so big on that) they city REALLY did not support the Saints fully when they were there. Yeah, the "sold" tickets, but other than one game, it wasn't a packed house every game. I was there, I know. Only disproves your point about San Antonio not getting a team because "it isn't as big as it is now". New England and Indy certainly have big media markets and fan bases, yet yourself just disproved the fact that it didn't result in being tops in attendance. You proved my point about San Antonio not being worthy of a team just because they've grown. You can keep San Antonio. I wouldn't pis* on it if it were on fire. I tried to understand some of this, but it got difficult. I'll piece together what I can: Where did I say anything good about Hardburglar? Seems kinda redundant to tell me he is no better than Benson. He associated with scum and thus is scum. I never disagreed. Second, where did I say San An was gonna build a brand new stadium for a football team? The talk was of San An, Austin, and Laredo combining on a venture, and the Lt. Gov of the state even mentioned allocating some funds to assist. Benson had gotten pretty deep on planning. Also, you may wanna update your knowledge on the stadium in San Antonio. The Spurs have played in 3 venues in the last 20 years or so. First the Hemisfair, then they moved to the Alamodome when it was built, and they got the AT&T Center just 5 years ago. Probably not smart to build a new basketball arena just 5 years after building one huh? So, what does that say about the city to you now? And why would me living in San An cause me to "forget my heritage?" That's utterly ridiculous. Most all of my family lived in New Orleans up until Katrina, and most of them still do. How could I ever possibly "forget my heritage?" There is no where else I would claim as home other than New Orleans, but I have come to and do love San Antonio. It helped I had been a Spurs fan since they drafted David Robinson on my birthday 20 years ago though, and that my uncle was stationed here when he was in the Air Force, as well as my sister when she was in the Army. The last point about the attendance must have been above my level. I wasn't able to put together anything to argue out of that, so i'll let it stand as is. I think my point about attendance levels for "championship teams" stands well enough on it's own, and has no bearing on supposed loyalty. It's something that's being made up now to push a point that has already been washed away. I'd really think about moving on from there, if there is anything else you want to add.

07-02-2007, 04:01 PM	#5
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Wow, a lot more conjecture. Expected. You know why San Antonio was passed over previously? Cause it was nowhere near as big as it is now. Neither was Austin. Both have grown tremendously over the last decade. So I guess that answers why they didn't expand there. Also, the Spurs were 9th in the league in attendance in the regular season. Out of 30 teams. Does that sound like a fan base not supporting it's team? Everything you are saying is groundless, and I pray that people in the state of Louisiana who actually have the ability to do something about the Saints leaving are not thinking the same thing. It was the same thing with Oklahoma City. They weren't even on the NBA's map until they showed out in droves for the Hornets, just like when the Saints played in San Antonio. It took a tragic event to put the cities in their respective league's eyes, but they are there. Like I said, I have facts. You have conjecture based on overblowing some interviews you saw during the Finals. I wonder which is more relevant? The facts you have are a little more bias than you want to admit. The fact that you proved my point a few posts ago when you said that San Antonians didn't have money to waste on a Championship finals that they knew the Spurs were going to win. During the finals that was all they talked about, the lack of excitement and interest the fans had in their home town team. Fact, there's always been Saints fans in Dallas, a hell of a lot more than in San Antonio. Fact, I knew at some point in this conversation you were going to bring up the Saints games in San Antonio, what you fail to mention was a lot of those fans that were in attendence were dislocated New Orleanians. Majority of those fans were true Saints fans from New Orleans, and that my friend is a FACT. I told you before, San Antonio is nothing more than leverage in contract talks for Mr. Benson and the State of Louisiana, as well as L.A. You honestly think Benson would pick San Antonio over Los Angeles when Texas have two franchises there already and L.A. have none, let's be real about this, it'll never happen. Look Whodi, I not disrespecting San Antonio in any way but the true facts remain, San Antonio will never, ever, have a NFL franchise located there, if it were possible it would have happen. And as far as Oklahoma City goes, what else is there? Nothing, no competition, the only thing in the State of Oklahoma are the Sooners and the Cowboys.
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07-02-2007, 04:12 PM	#6
McKenzie Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 26	Originally Posted by blacksaint The facts you have are a little more bias than you want to admit. The fact that you proved my point a few posts ago when you said that San Antonians didn't have money to waste on a Championship finals that they knew the Spurs were going to win. During the finals that was all they talked about, the lack of excitement and interest the fans had in their home town team. Fact, there's always been Saints fans in Dallas, a hell of a lot more than in San Antonio. Fact, I knew at some point in this conversation you were going to bring up the Saints games in San Antonio, what you fail to mention was a lot of those fans that were in attendence were dislocated New Orleanians. Majority of those fans were true Saints fans from New Orleans, and that my friend is a FACT. I told you before, San Antonio is nothing more than leverage in contract talks for Mr. Benson and the State of Louisiana, as well as L.A. You honestly think Benson would pick San Antonio over Los Angeles when Texas have two franchises there already and L.A. have none, let's be real about this, it'll never happen. Look Whodi, I not disrespecting San Antonio in any way but the true facts remain, San Antonio will never, ever, have a NFL franchise located there, if it were possible it would have happen. And as far as Oklahoma City goes, what else is there? Nothing, no competition, the only thing in the State of Oklahoma are the Sooners and the Cowboys. I have to be trithful and admit I live in San Antonio. I don't want to argue about the Saints coming here at all, but I can say this city is much bigger now than it was when Benson bought the team. He's said it many times...SA over L.A. We could and would love to have them here. Jones is the biggest opponent to the Saints coming here. He wants SA to stay Cowboy land. It's slipping from him, though. The Texans are getting more popular and the Saints...well, SA loved them and they are becoming more and more popular here.
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07-02-2007, 10:12 AM	#2
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07-02-2007, 04:26 PM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by McKenzie I have to be trithful and admit I live in San Antonio. I don't want to argue about the Saints coming here at all, but I can say this city is much bigger now than it was when Benson bought the team. He's said it many times...SA over L.A. We could and would love to have them here. Jones is the biggest opponent to the Saints coming here. He wants SA to stay Cowboy land. It's slipping from him, though. The Texans are getting more popular and the Saints...well, SA loved them and they are becoming more and more popular here. It would take someone who lives here to know that. Thanks for speaking up.

07-02-2007, 05:28 PM	#8
McKenzie Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 26	Originally Posted by saintswhodi It would take someone who lives here to know that. Thanks for speaking up. No problem. I'm pretty frank on message boards. Expect me to be quite involved here. SA was very proud to host the Saints. We took very good care of a team and organization in utter chaos. That schedule for 13 road games really did a number on them. 8-8 in 04 to 3-13 in 05. It was heartbreaking, but I was there for the 3 we had, spent a ton of bucks on shirts and stuff, taught people how to tailgate, took people who had never been to a pro game, not even Dallas, turned them away from being Dallas fans, and actually made friends with a couple who I met out and about in the city. I recall a Spurs game that Aaron Brooks attended with his family. The camera guys found him and blasted him up on the jumbotron. The At&T Center exploded in applause for him. He looked so shocked. See, most people in SA knew nothing of booing the Saints or wearing paper bags. We hardly got any coverage of the Saints here, so people just didn't know them. Now they do and the Cowboys lost themselves a bunch of followers. You can buy more Saints stuff in SA than you can Texans. If you want Texans stuff, you need to order it online. It's scarse. I go with a group of friends on certain game days to a sports bar that has 4 big screens. They reserve one for the Saints. Always. They never get a smaller TV. And you should see all they people in Saints gear watching them....not the Cowboys. I can't wait to be in Houston on Nov 18th. I got my seats from a friend who is now a Texan cheerleader and she already knows that I'll wear my fleur de lis that day. I'll go to Dallas when the new place opens and the Saints play them. I want to see that monster, too. FYI..if you can get the Holiday Inn Reliant, ask for a room with the view. It's all lit up at night and just gorgeous. And, you walk out the back door into the parking lot. Head to the left of Reliant to the Orange and Blue lots and just start talking to people. They'll feed you, offer beer. They really know how to throw it down. They are also very classy and won't hassle you for being a Saint. p.s. What ever you do, DON'T wear your Reggie jersey. They are still pretty upset over that draft. They wanted VY, but would have taken Reggie over Williams.
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07-02-2007, 05:38 PM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by McKenzie No problem. I'm pretty frank on message boards. Expect me to be quite involved here. SA was very proud to host the Saints. We took very good care of a team and organization in utter chaos. That schedule for 13 road games really did a number on them. 8-8 in 04 to 3-13 in 05. It was heartbreaking, but I was there for the 3 we had, spent a ton of bucks on shirts and stuff, taught people how to tailgate, took people who had never been to a pro game, not even Dallas, turned them away from being Dallas fans, and actually made friends with a couple who I met out and about in the city. I recall a Spurs game that Aaron Brooks attended with his family. The camera guys found him and blasted him up on the jumbotron. The At&T Center exploded in applause for him. He looked so shocked. See, most people in SA knew nothing of booing the Saints or wearing paper bags. We hardly got any coverage of the Saints here, so people just didn't know them. Now they do and the Cowboys lost themselves a bunch of followers. You can buy more Saints stuff in SA than you can Texans. If you want Texans stuff, you need to order it online. It's scarse. I go with a group of friends on certain game days to a sports bar that has 4 big screens. They reserve one for the Saints. Always. They never get a smaller TV. And you should see all they people in Saints gear watching them....not the Cowboys. I can't wait to be in Houston on Nov 18th. I got my seats from a friend who is now a Texan cheerleader and she already knows that I'll wear my fleur de lis that day. I'll go to Dallas when the new place opens and the Saints play them. I want to see that monster, too. FYI..if you can get the Holiday Inn Reliant, ask for a room with the view. It's all lit up at night and just gorgeous. And, you walk out the back door into the parking lot. Head to the left of Reliant to the Orange and Blue lots and just start talking to people. They'll feed you, offer beer. They really know how to throw it down. They are also very classy and won't hassle you for being a Saint. p.s. What ever you do, DON'T wear your Reggie jersey. They are still pretty upset over that draft. They wanted VY, but would have taken Reggie over Williams. When I go, i'll prob just stay with my sis, who is gonna go too. She lives a mile or so from reliant, in the medical center area. But we'll be early enough to tailgate for sure. Glad to have you aboard here!

07-02-2007, 05:50 PM	#10
McKenzie Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 26	Extremely glad to be here. Finally! Like I said, SR just got absurd and after the Black & Gold Nation, the official site, went down, I was just lost. I was on the B&G from 01-04, when they closed down. Being from Texas, SR got very ugly to anyone from here. I haven't had a Saints board for 2 years, so all I can do is say THANK YOU! for being around. Have to thank Google, too. That's how I found you. I'll be at Reliant at 6am. I have a group of friends in Orange Lot that I start with, move down a ways to another group for mid-morning food, into Blue for drinks with some former commercial divers, into Platinum. Then it's gametime. After the game, it's across Kirby to Yellow lot then back to Orange. We wind things up around 6pm. I tell you what. The Houston crowd is a good substitute for the Saints Family. They took me right in. Real good people. (Except about the draft thing....LOL)
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