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Old 09-08-2005, 07:33 PM   #81
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I just found out I lost a great aunt in New Orleans... she was in an old-folks home and her son was out of town and called to get them out of the home before the hurricane hit... he called several times and they said they'll do what they can do... he insisted it was a mandatory evacuation... well it was on CNN her son Todd Rodrigue was just interviewd about it.
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:34 PM   #82
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It seems that the Republicans are starting to find out what it was like for Clinton and the democrats for eight years.
No kidding .

Republicans came out of the wood work on Clinton for a blow job , and want understanding for a department head who blew his job .

I can say this much , I myself have been a Republican for years and after seeing Bush circle the wagons to protect Brown , I hang my head in shame at this matter .
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Bush Bashing the bigger fish to fry is in your own backyard... the govenor. She refused to let the feds in. The Federal Government by law can not impose military action/relief action unless the state asks for federal assistance this goes to Letting the States rule/govern themselves.

The state had a plan and the city had a plan and they failed to act on the plans... they failed. They failed calling in the feds early. I am not saying Brown is innocent... he needs his butt canned as well. Sending professional-lifesaving firemen and paramedics in teams of 2 to pass out fliers with FEMA phone number on it throughout the gulf area is total mismanagement.

I don't look at it as Republican - Demacrat issue its a damn shame when you are elected by the people and then fail your people. She had the oppitunitunity to get people out early and get them assistance getting them out early and faild.
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Old 09-08-2005, 08:03 PM   #84
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Here is an interesting story , quite long so I am linking it .

Hurricane Katrina-Our Experiences

Larry Bradshaw
Lorrie Beth Slonsky

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen's store at
the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy display
case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without
electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning
to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the
food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen's
windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.

The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and the
windows at Walgreen's gave way to the looters. There was an alternative. The
cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices,
and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did not.
Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing away the

We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived home
yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or look at a
newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or
front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen's in
the French Quarter.

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with "hero" images of the
National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the "victims" of
the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed,were the real
heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class of New
Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the sick and
disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators running. The
electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over blocks to
share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on rooftop
parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and spent many
hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious patients to keep
them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators. Refinery workers
who broke into boat yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors clinging
to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car that
could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service workers who
scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for hundreds of
those stranded.

Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from members of
their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure for the
20% of New Orleans that was not under water.

On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in the French
Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like
ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and shelter from
Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends outside of New
Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources including the
National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The buses and the
other resources must have been invisible because none of us had seen them.

We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came up with
$25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who did
not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who did have
extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last 12
hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we had. We
created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born babies. We
waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the buses. The
buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the City
limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was
dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as well as
water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their doors,
telling us that the "officials" told us to report to the convention center to
wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally
encountered the National Guard.

The Guards told us we would not be allowed into the Superdome as the City's
primary shelter had been descended into a humanitarian and health hellhole.
The guards further told us that the City's only other shelter, the Convention
Center, was also descending into chaos and squalor and that the police were not
allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we asked, "If we can't go to the
only 2 shelters in the City, what was our alternative?" The guards told us that
that was our problem, and no they did not have extra water to give to us. This
would be the start of our numerous encounters with callous and hostile "law

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I think there were some misrepresentations... take the looting for instance, there was video coverage of police holding 3 black males. The shot was from a new chopper. THe officers were not aware it was on camera and after taling with the 3 black males the 3 white police officers turned and walked away and you could see that the 3 black men were carring food and water only. That shouldln't be classified as looting but survival. Citizend near thedome did try getting into a grocery store and the officers watched them and then went in with them people and made sure the food was being taken towards the dome. I do feel that with just reports or hearsay things may have gotton distored at times. I still have questions about some rapes of kids... but I only confirmed one and all I have heard was this dude was beatin to death.

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If Blanco didn't want to agree to federal help beforehand (and this is the first I have heard reported of it), then it is as much her fault as FEMA and the Federal Goverment. Notice, I'm not fingerpointing to only one group, it is all of their fault. But I still say, to not be ready after the hurricane comes through was a joke. Are you going to tell me one piece of unsigned* paper can stop any type of rescue/relief effort, as we stand and watch our own people die? Seems like we need some reform if this is the case.

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Yes this is a fact... the Feds can not take military action in a US-state unless the Governer of that state signs off on the act. If Blanco signed the deal before the President asked a lot when have been in motion days... the feds where concern and even the President stepped in to call her and pleaded withher to sign off on it. It is a fact. This broke days ago as early as Wednesday. You can go back and read this theard I believe there was an article even about it and it was in all of the media markets. Not to say there isn't blame to go around across the board but you have to weigh most of it on her. From the local level to the top, but the real even is sleeping in her plush bed this morning getting up soon to have her hot cup of coffee and 7 course breakfast, reading a newspaper on how she devastated a city Baton Rouge thinks so little of -New Orleans. A quick reaction to the levee break is on the responsiblity of the city and state... if they don't handle it they have to "CALL" in the feds... (army corps of engineers). THe law preventing the Feds from steping in... is to let the State govern themselves, I mean that is what we have state governments for. If the Feds took care of such things then we can get rid of local governments as well. In such desasters the feds come in and run the show they take everying they need and do the job the state government couldn't. Maybe she wanted to handle this herself to make a name for herself -well she has made a name for herself I will tell you that.

I am telling you I think the appropriate action is for the people in Louisiana is to take back the government starting from the top and that is the governor... people need to march down to the capital and protest and call for her to resign if not an old fashion take her out and force her out band hand if have to. This is almost the same level as the conlonial times -Taxation without representation- Colonies taxed and didn't have a voice or got back any of the money they sent to England recall that from your history books boys and girls. That is what she has been doing in reguards to the Saints. Tax New Orleans hotels, resturants, tickets, luxury taxes... to pay for the Saints, set up slot machines 'around NO' not not around the state mind you. Where was the people and money to fix the levee as soon as it happened??? Where was the money rushing food/water to the dome and civic center? Where was the money keeping state officers even at the dome. New Orleans police where overwhelmed. UGh the list goes on... There needs to be a activist group that gets together and take back Baton Rouge.
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First, I'm so sorry to hear about your loss Euph.

I'm not clear exactly on the procedure that the feds are using to deflect responsibility for anything. Did Mississippi and Alabama not fill out the right paperwork either? If not, I guess that explains why FEMA didn't show up for the better part of a week either.

Where I get confused is here.
In Louisiana, the governor declares an emergency on the Friday before the storm hit.

General Honore talks about requests from all four state govs for federal help on Friday the 26th and Saturday the 27th.
http://www.dod.gov/transcripts/2005/...843.html<br />

On Saturday the 27th, the white house declares a state of emergency in Louisiana and authorizes FEMA to do it's thing to provide all possible help.

Then on Saturday the 27th, Louisiana asks the white house to declare an emergency.

If both the state and the feds are declaring an emergency and calling for FEMA to head up the operation, it seems like the ball is in FEMA's court?

I'm not sure I understand the procedure?
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This time limit on editing is really unhandy........

Anyway, I figure that the big mistake the state made was continuing to wait for the feds to show up. After the levee broke, I think the state should have grabbed every school bus and bass boat in the state and gone into the flooded areas.
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Here is what FEMA says on th 27th.

Emergency Aid Authorized For Hurricane Katrina Emergency Response In Louisiana

Release Date: August 27, 2005
Release Number: HQ-05-169

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response, today announced that Federal resources are being allocated to support emergency protective response efforts response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina.

Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance. FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures.

The parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn were designated eligible for assistance. In addition, federal funds will be available for public safety debris removal and emergency protective measures at 75 percent of approved costs.

Brown named William Lokey of FEMA to coordinate the federal relief effort. FEMA prepares the nation for all hazards and manages federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates mitigation activities, trains first responders, works with state and local emergency managers, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration. FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003.
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