I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

hitta · 01-20-2021, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders.
I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around.

Yup I hate to say it, but Brees is pretty much finished. He can't push the ball down the field at all. Hell, it's one thing to be able to throw the deep pass(which Brees definitely can't do), but he passes up 20-25 yard throws down the field in favor of drop offs. Kamara is the only individual we have that keeps defenses off guard and makes them have to adjust.

The Dude · 01-20-2021, 10:11 AM

How long do you think he would last when he starts demanding that Payton and Loomis pick the players and coaches he wants? He is the opposite of what Payton looks for in a player. No way in hell he comes here.

K Major · 01-20-2021, 10:23 AM

Let's face it, the Houston Texans are a dysfunctional franchise. They have a brand new GM & his job is to make the Texans better, not the New Orleans Saints. Last time I looked, the Saints were 94M over the cap. We could blow up the entire roster and still be over.

We have limited capital/flexibility & way down the draft order. There are quite a few other teams who can propose better offers than the Saints.

I'd love to have Desean however I don't see how he would be a realistic option for New Orleans.

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself.

Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making.

You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management?

If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere.

One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations.

A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it.

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 10:57 AM

Do you think Brooks sat in the office with Tom and bullet pointed Mickey Loomis's pros and cons? LOL

gosaints1 · 01-20-2021, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management?

If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere.

One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations.

A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it.

I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F

So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F

So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.

Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them.

I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind.

This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys.

Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them.

Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication.
We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol.

Tl:dr

What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations?

A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that

dizzle88 · 01-20-2021, 12:57 PM

I recently made a point that if Carson Wentz was available we should maybe consider him too, however there have been a few reports that have called him "borderline uncoachable" and that he always thinks he knows best.

I'd love to sign Stafford from a few years ago on this team, he's still a very good player but as Detroit often does, they've let their franchise player take a beating over the years.

K Major · 01-20-2021, 01:03 PM

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-orlean...n-in-cap-costs

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I recently made a point that if Carson Wentz was available we should maybe consider him too, however there have been a few reports that have called him "borderline uncoachable" and that he always thinks he knows best.

I'd love to sign Stafford from a few years ago on this team, he's still a very good player but as Detroit often does, they've let their franchise player take a beating over the years.

Brother, for all intents and purposes, we are broke. Loomis will need to pull the eye or sauron out of his azz to make 2021 work.

01-20-2021, 10:02 AM	#11
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by dizzle88 Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders. I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around. Yup I hate to say it, but Brees is pretty much finished. He can't push the ball down the field at all. Hell, it's one thing to be able to throw the deep pass(which Brees definitely can't do), but he passes up 20-25 yard throws down the field in favor of drop offs. Kamara is the only individual we have that keeps defenses off guard and makes them have to adjust.
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01-20-2021, 10:11 AM	#12
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson How long do you think he would last when he starts demanding that Payton and Loomis pick the players and coaches he wants? He is the opposite of what Payton looks for in a player. No way in hell he comes here.
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01-20-2021, 10:23 AM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Let's face it, the Houston Texans are a dysfunctional franchise. They have a brand new GM & his job is to make the Texans better, not the New Orleans Saints. Last time I looked, the Saints were 94M over the cap. We could blow up the entire roster and still be over. We have limited capital/flexibility & way down the draft order. There are quite a few other teams who can propose better offers than the Saints. I'd love to have Desean however I don't see how he would be a realistic option for New Orleans. RailBoss, SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.

01-20-2021, 10:48 AM	#14
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself. Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making. You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management? If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere. One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations. A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it. UK_WhoDat and Budsdrinker like this.
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01-20-2021, 10:57 AM	#15
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Do you think Brooks sat in the office with Tom and bullet pointed Mickey Loomis's pros and cons? LOL

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01-20-2021, 11:45 AM	#16
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by TheOak You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management? If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere. One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations. A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it. I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun. https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.
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01-20-2021, 12:53 PM	#17
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by gosaints1 I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun. https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment. Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them. I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind. This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys. Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them. Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication. We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol. Tl:dr What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations? A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that gosaints1 likes this.
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01-20-2021, 12:57 PM	#18
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson I recently made a point that if Carson Wentz was available we should maybe consider him too, however there have been a few reports that have called him "borderline uncoachable" and that he always thinks he knows best. I'd love to sign Stafford from a few years ago on this team, he's still a very good player but as Detroit often does, they've let their franchise player take a beating over the years.

01-20-2021, 01:03 PM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson https://www.espn.com/blog/new-orlean...n-in-cap-costs