I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

iceshack149 · 01-20-2021, 02:20 PM

I'd like the Saints to keep their draft stock and run with Winston at QB. They will restructure and hopefully make some trades but this team will lose some quality players in the coming months so the draft will be more important than ever. I'm glad Ireland is here for that.

TheOak · 01-22-2021, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Yea I concede, I misread what you wrote. He had a problem with the GM's decisions though too, especially after DeAndre Hopkins was traded. He was promised a role in the hiring on the GM and coaches, so the lies are not good form on the part of the Texans.

Don't, there is nothing to concede. The Texans organization can barely keep up with that hot mess they call a franchise, certainly we can not expect to be able to. The only reason I knew more about what is going on is because I live here and have to hear about the BS daily.

I have just never vested too much into any employee having issue with the decisions of management. No single organization owns that moniker.

This is just my personal spin on the situation. Deshaun Watson pays an agent a lot of money to ensure that agreements between Deshaun and the organization are not only reasonable but kept. Whom ever his agent is he should be terminated for not ensuring something that is important wasn't in the contract and for not advising his client against publicly airing his grievances.

I just looked up his agent and the third reason David Mulugheta needs to be terminated as Watson's agent is because he is trying to push him to the Jets. Another sh1ttastic hot mess of an organization.

Oh my lord, I just looked at Watsons contract, no one will touch that... $67M in dead money this year and $50M in dead money next year with $40M cap hits in 2022/2023 lol. He better shut up and deposit his check quietly for the next two years.

neugey · 01-20-2021, 06:26 AM

It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be.

Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders

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TheOak · 01-20-2021, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be.

Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders .

I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have.

Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game.

The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized.

Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs.

gosaints1 · 01-20-2021, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have.

Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game.

The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized.

Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs.

Brees is not a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson right now. He WAS a better QB than they are right now, but he just can’t run the entire playbook anymore. Situational QB’s was a horrible idea, horrible one, and clearly a band-aid. If Brees were to return in 2021, I’d still rather see Taysom, Jameis or Deshaun (if he were here) get the starting nod over the future first ballot HOF’er.

dizzle88 · 01-20-2021, 08:01 AM

Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders.
I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around.

hitta · 01-20-2021, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders.
I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around.

Yup I hate to say it, but Brees is pretty much finished. He can't push the ball down the field at all. Hell, it's one thing to be able to throw the deep pass(which Brees definitely can't do), but he passes up 20-25 yard throws down the field in favor of drop offs. Kamara is the only individual we have that keeps defenses off guard and makes them have to adjust.

neugey · 01-20-2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders.
I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around.

Yeah I noticed that a time or two and I was shocked that he didn't check down to Kamara when the Bucs were shifted away from him.

FinSaint · 01-20-2021, 08:40 AM

The Saints have until 2026 or 2027 to position themselves in such a way that they can pick Arch Manning - that planning has to start now.

jeanpierre · 02-03-2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

The Saints have until 2026 or 2027 to position themselves in such a way that they can pick Arch Manning - that planning has to start now.

01-22-2021, 06:36 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta Yea I concede, I misread what you wrote. He had a problem with the GM's decisions though too, especially after DeAndre Hopkins was traded. He was promised a role in the hiring on the GM and coaches, so the lies are not good form on the part of the Texans. Don't, there is nothing to concede. The Texans organization can barely keep up with that hot mess they call a franchise, certainly we can not expect to be able to. The only reason I knew more about what is going on is because I live here and have to hear about the BS daily. I have just never vested too much into any employee having issue with the decisions of management. No single organization owns that moniker. This is just my personal spin on the situation. Deshaun Watson pays an agent a lot of money to ensure that agreements between Deshaun and the organization are not only reasonable but kept. Whom ever his agent is he should be terminated for not ensuring something that is important wasn't in the contract and for not advising his client against publicly airing his grievances. I just looked up his agent and the third reason David Mulugheta needs to be terminated as Watson's agent is because he is trying to push him to the Jets. Another sh1ttastic hot mess of an organization. Oh my lord, I just looked at Watsons contract, no one will touch that... $67M in dead money this year and $50M in dead money next year with $40M cap hits in 2022/2023 lol. He better shut up and deposit his check quietly for the next two years.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-20-2021, 06:26 AM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,885 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be. Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders .

01-20-2021, 07:10 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by neugey It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be. Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders . I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have. Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game. The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized. Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-20-2021, 07:34 AM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by TheOak I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have. Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game. The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized. Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs. Brees is not a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson right now. He WAS a better QB than they are right now, but he just can’t run the entire playbook anymore. Situational QB’s was a horrible idea, horrible one, and clearly a band-aid. If Brees were to return in 2021, I’d still rather see Taysom, Jameis or Deshaun (if he were here) get the starting nod over the future first ballot HOF’er. jeanpierre likes this.
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01-20-2021, 08:01 AM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,693	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders. I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around. neugey, Rsanders24, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

01-20-2021, 02:20 PM	#1
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,488 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson I'd like the Saints to keep their draft stock and run with Winston at QB. They will restructure and hopefully make some trades but this team will lose some quality players in the coming months so the draft will be more important than ever. I'm glad Ireland is here for that.

01-20-2021, 09:02 AM	#7
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,348	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by dizzle88 Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders. I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around. Yup I hate to say it, but Brees is pretty much finished. He can't push the ball down the field at all. Hell, it's one thing to be able to throw the deep pass(which Brees definitely can't do), but he passes up 20-25 yard throws down the field in favor of drop offs. Kamara is the only individual we have that keeps defenses off guard and makes them have to adjust.
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01-20-2021, 04:55 PM	#8
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,885 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by dizzle88 Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders. I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around. Yeah I noticed that a time or two and I was shocked that he didn't check down to Kamara when the Bucs were shifted away from him. dizzle88 likes this.

01-20-2021, 08:40 AM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson The Saints have until 2026 or 2027 to position themselves in such a way that they can pick Arch Manning - that planning has to start now. jeanpierre likes this.

02-03-2021, 04:55 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by FinSaint The Saints have until 2026 or 2027 to position themselves in such a way that they can pick Arch Manning - that planning has to start now.