I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

dizzle88 · 01-20-2021, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Ross may be a genius, but this team will look dramatically different next year. You can find any Tom, Dick or Sally saying what you want to hear all day, or you can look at it for yourself and see if you can shed $96m while remaining competitive.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

Loomis and Payton blew their load building a team for Drew, they never should have signed him for this last contract (in my opinion).

Yeah starting to the feel the same, this obsession with a farewell tour, whilst a nice sentiment and would have been great, has pretty much ruined this franchise for the next few years.

3 picks in the draft.
Way over the cap.

neugey · 01-20-2021, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders.
I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around.

Yeah I noticed that a time or two and I was shocked that he didn't check down to Kamara when the Bucs were shifted away from him.

lee909 · 01-20-2021, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Ross may be a genius, but this team will look dramatically different next year. You can find any Tom, Dick or Sally saying what you want to hear all day, or you can look at it for yourself and see if you can shed $96m while remaining competitive.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

Loomis and Payton blew their load building a team for Drew, they never should have signed him for this last contract (in my opinion).

And this was why in other threads in mentioned Thomas and Armstead in trades. Both free up lots of money if traded after June 1st.

Personally i think it will take two years to properly clear all the dead money and have the extra space to start a proper rebuild

Should have a few extra draft picks with comp picks from players and staff in 2021/22. Its Ideal world you keep most of the core but its not ideal with the cap issues and with the finances looking like they will drop short term as is happening across all major sports.

I would be moving on from anyone who will be past their best in 2 years or injury prone. It would likley be a hard two years but plenty of teams are showing that with a bit of space and good drafts you can recover quicker now than ever before

But saying all that if the was a way or nabbing Watson now you do it. Far easier to replace any player on the roster than a franchise QB

saintsfan1976 · 01-20-2021, 07:21 PM

I'm down for Watson if they can make it happen

TheOak · 01-22-2021, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Yea I concede, I misread what you wrote. He had a problem with the GM's decisions though too, especially after DeAndre Hopkins was traded. He was promised a role in the hiring on the GM and coaches, so the lies are not good form on the part of the Texans.

Don't, there is nothing to concede. The Texans organization can barely keep up with that hot mess they call a franchise, certainly we can not expect to be able to. The only reason I knew more about what is going on is because I live here and have to hear about the BS daily.

I have just never vested too much into any employee having issue with the decisions of management. No single organization owns that moniker.

This is just my personal spin on the situation. Deshaun Watson pays an agent a lot of money to ensure that agreements between Deshaun and the organization are not only reasonable but kept. Whom ever his agent is he should be terminated for not ensuring something that is important wasn't in the contract and for not advising his client against publicly airing his grievances.

I just looked up his agent and the third reason David Mulugheta needs to be terminated as Watson's agent is because he is trying to push him to the Jets. Another sh1ttastic hot mess of an organization.

Oh my lord, I just looked at Watsons contract, no one will touch that... $67M in dead money this year and $50M in dead money next year with $40M cap hits in 2022/2023 lol. He better shut up and deposit his check quietly for the next two years.

UK_WhoDat · 01-22-2021, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

.......Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. ..........

Agree decision making that is timely and ultimately successful is really really awesome.
Implementing it is even better.

NFL is about the team. Each and everyone has to pull in the same direction, otherwise the professionals on the other side will find you out.

Rugby Saint II · 01-23-2021, 05:24 PM

Dak? Anyone?

hitta · 01-23-2021, 06:58 PM

Deshaun Watson wants to be in an offense like the one that Sean Payton runs. He has a no trade clause. If we can put up the resources, and get DW to want to come here, we can force Houston's hand. Deshaun Watson has all the control. If he wanted to come here, we could put something together. I would definitely trade away Thomas, Armstead, or whoever just to get DW.

SaintGnome · 01-23-2021, 07:20 PM

Houston would be idiots if they don't get a kings ransom for Deshawn, that plus our current CAP challenges means the cupboard would be bare around him. Which means we become the new 2020 Texans.

SmashMouth · 02-02-2021, 04:03 PM

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01-20-2021, 05:33 PM	#31
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,182	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by blackangold Ross may be a genius, but this team will look dramatically different next year. You can find any Tom, Dick or Sally saying what you want to hear all day, or you can look at it for yourself and see if you can shed $96m while remaining competitive. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/ Loomis and Payton blew their load building a team for Drew, they never should have signed him for this last contract (in my opinion). Yeah starting to the feel the same, this obsession with a farewell tour, whilst a nice sentiment and would have been great, has pretty much ruined this franchise for the next few years. 3 picks in the draft. Way over the cap.

01-20-2021, 05:55 PM	#32
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,695 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by dizzle88 Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders. I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around. Yeah I noticed that a time or two and I was shocked that he didn't check down to Kamara when the Bucs were shifted away from him. dizzle88 likes this.

01-20-2021, 06:12 PM	#33
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,802 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by blackangold Ross may be a genius, but this team will look dramatically different next year. You can find any Tom, Dick or Sally saying what you want to hear all day, or you can look at it for yourself and see if you can shed $96m while remaining competitive. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/ Loomis and Payton blew their load building a team for Drew, they never should have signed him for this last contract (in my opinion). And this was why in other threads in mentioned Thomas and Armstead in trades. Both free up lots of money if traded after June 1st. Personally i think it will take two years to properly clear all the dead money and have the extra space to start a proper rebuild Should have a few extra draft picks with comp picks from players and staff in 2021/22. Its Ideal world you keep most of the core but its not ideal with the cap issues and with the finances looking like they will drop short term as is happening across all major sports. I would be moving on from anyone who will be past their best in 2 years or injury prone. It would likley be a hard two years but plenty of teams are showing that with a bit of space and good drafts you can recover quicker now than ever before But saying all that if the was a way or nabbing Watson now you do it. Far easier to replace any player on the roster than a franchise QB Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-20-2021, 07:21 PM	#34
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01-22-2021, 07:36 AM	#35
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta Yea I concede, I misread what you wrote. He had a problem with the GM's decisions though too, especially after DeAndre Hopkins was traded. He was promised a role in the hiring on the GM and coaches, so the lies are not good form on the part of the Texans. Don't, there is nothing to concede. The Texans organization can barely keep up with that hot mess they call a franchise, certainly we can not expect to be able to. The only reason I knew more about what is going on is because I live here and have to hear about the BS daily. I have just never vested too much into any employee having issue with the decisions of management. No single organization owns that moniker. This is just my personal spin on the situation. Deshaun Watson pays an agent a lot of money to ensure that agreements between Deshaun and the organization are not only reasonable but kept. Whom ever his agent is he should be terminated for not ensuring something that is important wasn't in the contract and for not advising his client against publicly airing his grievances. I just looked up his agent and the third reason David Mulugheta needs to be terminated as Watson's agent is because he is trying to push him to the Jets. Another sh1ttastic hot mess of an organization. Oh my lord, I just looked at Watsons contract, no one will touch that... $67M in dead money this year and $50M in dead money next year with $40M cap hits in 2022/2023 lol. He better shut up and deposit his check quietly for the next two years.
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01-22-2021, 07:42 AM	#36
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,925	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta .......Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. .......... Agree decision making that is timely and ultimately successful is really really awesome. Implementing it is even better. NFL is about the team. Each and everyone has to pull in the same direction, otherwise the professionals on the other side will find you out. gosaints1 likes this.

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01-23-2021, 06:58 PM	#38
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,320	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Deshaun Watson wants to be in an offense like the one that Sean Payton runs. He has a no trade clause. If we can put up the resources, and get DW to want to come here, we can force Houston's hand. Deshaun Watson has all the control. If he wanted to come here, we could put something together. I would definitely trade away Thomas, Armstead, or whoever just to get DW.
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01-23-2021, 07:20 PM	#39
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Houston would be idiots if they don't get a kings ransom for Deshawn, that plus our current CAP challenges means the cupboard would be bare around him. Which means we become the new 2020 Texans.