I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

hitta · 01-20-2021, 12:14 AM

I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him.

hitta · 01-20-2021, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him.

I feel like Watson may be right there at the very top as far as skill set is concerned. He's never had anyone to go around him or a coach that knows how to take advantage him. He may be on Mahomes level. The guy has all the intangibles. He wants out of Houston. We have to do whatever we can to get him. If we don't get him I feel like we have failed.

FinSaint · 01-20-2021, 03:16 AM

You can't gut the team and bring in a QB who has demanded a trade because of lack of success.

I mean you can, but I think Watson will look at a team where he can succeed, and which has a lot of trade capital, like Miami.

I don't think the Saints are in a position to make a trade package to the Texans, which would land Watson.

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 03:52 AM

Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm.
When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions?

A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid.

hitta · 01-20-2021, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm.
When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions?

A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid.

I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself.

Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making.

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself.

Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making.

You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management?

If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere.

One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations.

A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it.

gosaints1 · 01-20-2021, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management?

If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere.

One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations.

A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it.

I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F

So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F

So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.

Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them.

I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind.

This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys.

Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them.

Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication.
We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol.

Tl:dr

What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations?

A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that

UK_WhoDat · 01-22-2021, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

.......Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. ..........

Agree decision making that is timely and ultimately successful is really really awesome.
Implementing it is even better.

NFL is about the team. Each and everyone has to pull in the same direction, otherwise the professionals on the other side will find you out.

hitta · 01-20-2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm.
When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions?

A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid.

Yea I concede, I misread what you wrote. He had a problem with the GM's decisions though too, especially after DeAndre Hopkins was traded. He was promised a role in the hiring on the GM and coaches, so the lies are not good form on the part of the Texans.

01-20-2021, 12:14 AM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him.
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01-20-2021, 12:27 AM	#2
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him. I feel like Watson may be right there at the very top as far as skill set is concerned. He's never had anyone to go around him or a coach that knows how to take advantage him. He may be on Mahomes level. The guy has all the intangibles. He wants out of Houston. We have to do whatever we can to get him. If we don't get him I feel like we have failed.
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01-20-2021, 03:16 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson You can't gut the team and bring in a QB who has demanded a trade because of lack of success. I mean you can, but I think Watson will look at a team where he can succeed, and which has a lot of trade capital, like Miami. I don't think the Saints are in a position to make a trade package to the Texans, which would land Watson. iceshack149, RailBoss, jeanpierre and 3 others like this.

01-20-2021, 03:52 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm. When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions? A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid. jnormand, Danno, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

01-20-2021, 08:50 AM	#5
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by TheOak Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm. When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions? A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid. I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself. Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making. Rsanders24, gosaints1, Rell&Gold and 1 others like this.
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01-20-2021, 09:48 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself. Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making. You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management? If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere. One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations. A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it. UK_WhoDat and Budsdrinker like this.
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01-20-2021, 10:45 AM	#7
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by TheOak You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management? If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere. One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations. A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it. I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun. https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.
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01-20-2021, 11:53 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by gosaints1 I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun. https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment. Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them. I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind. This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys. Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them. Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication. We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol. Tl:dr What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations? A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that gosaints1 likes this.
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01-22-2021, 06:42 AM	#9
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta .......Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. .......... Agree decision making that is timely and ultimately successful is really really awesome. Implementing it is even better. NFL is about the team. Each and everyone has to pull in the same direction, otherwise the professionals on the other side will find you out. gosaints1 likes this.

01-20-2021, 01:29 PM	#10
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by TheOak Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm. When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions? A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid. Yea I concede, I misread what you wrote. He had a problem with the GM's decisions though too, especially after DeAndre Hopkins was traded. He was promised a role in the hiring on the GM and coaches, so the lies are not good form on the part of the Texans. TheOak likes this.
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