ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...

Boston Saint · 02-16-2021, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped:

“You are what your record says you are”.

CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t.

But, that’s just how I see things.

Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that.

Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential.

gosaints1 · 02-16-2021, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that.

Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential.

Fully understand that logic. I’m not making the claim that New Orleans did, or did not live up to anybody’s arbitrary standards. I’m very simply stating the facts, without excuses, EVERY team makes them, lol. It’s a very good team, still is. With or without Drew Brees under center.

Regardless, there is Tom Brady, then everybody else..., unfortunately. But, let’s dig a tad deeper.

1) Rothlisberger is 13-9 with 2 SB’s
2) Rodgers is 11-9 with 1 SB
3) Joe Flacco is 10-5 with 1 SB
4) Wilson is 9-7 with 1 SB
5) Brees is 9-8 with 1 SB.

Those are the active QB’s above. Some inactive (retired) QB’s below, who played during the same period of time, aka the Brees era.

1) PManning is 14-13 with 2 SB’s (multiple SB teams)
2) EManning is 8-4 with 2 SB’s
3) Mahomes is 6-2 with 1 SB

There are others like Dilfer who is 5-1 with 1 (one) SB, but we’re getting into smaller sample sets now. So, there are teams that have been around year in/out. But I get your point. Heck, Griese is only 6-5..., but he has 2 SB’s and a “perfect” season.

The records are what the records are, for better or worse. They paint a picture..., but not the entire picture.

K Major · 02-19-2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped:

“You are what your record says you are”.

CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t.

This is a good listen when you have time. Right off the bat, Detillier talks on our past playoff woes & "pre mature" exits.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000509544006

K Major · 02-19-2021, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Our last 3 exits have all been at home, which dumbfounds me.

I understand we were in a covid season (limited fans), however Tampa made home field look like an after thought. Defeating the Saints, GB & the Chiefs … that was impressive. Got hot at the right time.

But yeah losing a wild card at home last season as well as this season stings.

Rugby Saint II · 02-20-2021, 03:48 PM

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02-16-2021, 09:37 PM	#41
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by gosaints1 As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped: “You are what your record says you are”. CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t. But, that’s just how I see things. Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that. Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential. gosaints1 likes this.
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02-16-2021, 10:18 PM	#42
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Boston Saint Fair enough looking at through that lens. It consider this. Since Payton took over as coach, the Saints are one of a handful of teams that are usually considered playoff contenders to start the season. Green Bay, Seattle, Minn, NE, Steelers, Ravens round out that group. (There are a few other exceptions either way). I’d consider those the “good teams” over the last decade and a half. Obviously you have your “bad” teams to offset that. Im not going to bother looking up the post season records of other teams now, but using your lens for success, NE is the only team in the NFL that has lived up to their potential. Seattle and Green Bay were both primed to win multiple SBs with their young QBs by now. Pitt hasn’t been close since Roth’s second. Denver and the Niners pop up now and again but fade away with 2-5 win seasons often. You set a very high mark to judge a team not living up to potential. Fully understand that logic. I’m not making the claim that New Orleans did, or did not live up to anybody’s arbitrary standards. I’m very simply stating the facts, without excuses, EVERY team makes them, lol. It’s a very good team, still is. With or without Drew Brees under center. Regardless, there is Tom Brady, then everybody else..., unfortunately. But, let’s dig a tad deeper. 1) Rothlisberger is 13-9 with 2 SB’s 2) Rodgers is 11-9 with 1 SB 3) Joe Flacco is 10-5 with 1 SB 4) Wilson is 9-7 with 1 SB 5) Brees is 9-8 with 1 SB. Those are the active QB’s above. Some inactive (retired) QB’s below, who played during the same period of time, aka the Brees era. 1) PManning is 14-13 with 2 SB’s (multiple SB teams) 2) EManning is 8-4 with 2 SB’s 3) Mahomes is 6-2 with 1 SB There are others like Dilfer who is 5-1 with 1 (one) SB, but we’re getting into smaller sample sets now. So, there are teams that have been around year in/out. But I get your point. Heck, Griese is only 6-5..., but he has 2 SB’s and a “perfect” season. The records are what the records are, for better or worse. They paint a picture..., but not the entire picture. jeanpierre, K Major and Boston Saint like this.
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02-19-2021, 03:11 PM	#43
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by gosaints1 As Bill Parcells once wisely quipped: “You are what your record says you are”. CSP and Drew Brees, as a combo, are 9-8 overall in the playoffs. Very simply, just a tad over .500. AG, I’m still not buying the “luck” excuse, lol. Luck obviously comes into play for ALL teams, therefore it’s an equal unknown, as the ball bounces oddly for everybody. I would argue the missed call wasn’t “bad luck”, it was incompetence. Other than that, the Diggs missed tackle, among others aren’t “bad luck” either. Failing to fall on a ball in the end zone for a safety instead of a TD isn’t bad luck either. I can continue on for hours, but I won’t. This is a good listen when you have time. Right off the bat, Detillier talks on our past playoff woes & "pre mature" exits. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000509544006

02-19-2021, 03:33 PM	#44
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 Our last 3 exits have all been at home, which dumbfounds me. I understand we were in a covid season (limited fans), however Tampa made home field look like an after thought. Defeating the Saints, GB & the Chiefs … that was impressive. Got hot at the right time. But yeah losing a wild card at home last season as well as this season stings. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

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