Latavius Murray

BakoSaint · 02-21-2021, 03:40 AM

A post june 1 trade of Alvin Kamara would also save $2 million against the cap, offer much better long term savings, and more return. The Saints resigned Kamara to make one last run with Brees but it didnt work out and they probably can't win it all with a wrecked salary cap and Brees retiring, so a long term investment in the most expensive 3rd down back in NFL history, great as he is, may not be wise.

dizzle88 · 02-21-2021, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, yeah, when the safeties finally figure out they can stack in the box, that defense is gonna show out...

Exactly, not difficult to do against us. It's been done in 3 straight playoff exits since 2018.

lee909 · 02-21-2021, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

A post june 1 trade of Alvin Kamara would also save $2 million against the cap, offer much better long term savings, and more return. The Saints resigned Kamara to make one last run with Brees but it didnt work out and they probably can't win it all with a wrecked salary cap and Brees retiring, so a long term investment in the most expensive 3rd down back in NFL history, great as he is, may not be wise.

It's the same with Thomas, Armstead, Cameron but it doesn't really help as they can't be traded for 2020 picks as far as I'm aware. And the teams needs to be under the cap before then from what I've been reading.

Only way a trade helps is if the plan is tank

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-21-2021, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

A post june 1 trade of Alvin Kamara would also save $2 million against the cap, offer much better long term savings, and more return. The Saints resigned Kamara to make one last run with Brees but it didnt work out and they probably can't win it all with a wrecked salary cap and Brees retiring, so a long term investment in the most expensive 3rd down back in NFL history, great as he is, may not be wise.

Does not compute. Kamara's cap hit this year is $5M. Even if traded after June 1, the cap hit for the next two years would accelerate to $15M each year of 2021 and 2022.

The Saints cannot afford to do anything with Kamara until likely after 2023.

SFIAH

st thomas · 02-21-2021, 12:28 PM

The cap is so overrated I think, watch Mickey do his magic.

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Boston Saint · 02-21-2021, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Exactly, not difficult to do against us. It's been done in 3 straight playoff exits since 2018.

If it was that simple other teams would do it more often in the regular season and they would not have won the division this many times in a row.

SaintGnome · 02-21-2021, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, yeah, when the safeties finally figure out they can stack in the box, that defense is gonna show out...

That doesn't really explain how they also beat Greenbay and KC, two of the stronger armed QB's as well.

Boston Saint · 02-21-2021, 07:21 PM

I’ll say it again...Tampa had 3 quality WRs and a HOF TE. Plus a good 1-2 RB punch. Brees was throwing to an injured Thomas and Sanders plus a TE that fumbled and dropped 2 passes. If Hill or Harris is available to add a little relief, Saints win. Saints not being able to convert in red zone wasn’t because he had a noodle arm...it’s because he didn’t have the necessary weapons (Hill and Murray) to punch it in. Writing it off as a lack of Brees arm strength is using him as scapegoat.

AsylumGuido · 02-21-2021, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’ll say it again...Tampa had 3 quality WRs and a HOF TE. Plus a good 1-2 RB punch. Brees was throwing to an injured Thomas and Sanders plus a TE that fumbled and dropped 2 passes. If Hill or Harris is available to add a little relief, Saints win. Saints not being able to convert in red zone wasn’t because he had a noodle arm...it’s because he didn’t have the necessary weapons (Hill and Murray) to punch it in. Writing it off as a lack of Brees arm strength is using him as scapegoat.

Amen, my brother! Amen!

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2021, 01:16 PM

Murray is great in New Orleans in his role as a banger back. I hope he stays. He seems like a team first guy. Maybe he'll take a reduction to stay in New Orleans. Or he could chase the money and end up somewhere like Detroit.

02-21-2021, 03:40 AM	#31
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,134	Re: Latavius Murray A post june 1 trade of Alvin Kamara would also save $2 million against the cap, offer much better long term savings, and more return. The Saints resigned Kamara to make one last run with Brees but it didnt work out and they probably can't win it all with a wrecked salary cap and Brees retiring, so a long term investment in the most expensive 3rd down back in NFL history, great as he is, may not be wise.
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02-21-2021, 08:54 AM	#32
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, yeah, when the safeties finally figure out they can stack in the box, that defense is gonna show out... Exactly, not difficult to do against us. It's been done in 3 straight playoff exits since 2018. gosaints1 likes this.

02-21-2021, 11:49 AM	#33
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by BakoSaint A post june 1 trade of Alvin Kamara would also save $2 million against the cap, offer much better long term savings, and more return. The Saints resigned Kamara to make one last run with Brees but it didnt work out and they probably can't win it all with a wrecked salary cap and Brees retiring, so a long term investment in the most expensive 3rd down back in NFL history, great as he is, may not be wise. It's the same with Thomas, Armstead, Cameron but it doesn't really help as they can't be traded for 2020 picks as far as I'm aware. And the teams needs to be under the cap before then from what I've been reading. Only way a trade helps is if the plan is tank

02-21-2021, 12:22 PM	#34
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by BakoSaint A post june 1 trade of Alvin Kamara would also save $2 million against the cap, offer much better long term savings, and more return. The Saints resigned Kamara to make one last run with Brees but it didnt work out and they probably can't win it all with a wrecked salary cap and Brees retiring, so a long term investment in the most expensive 3rd down back in NFL history, great as he is, may not be wise. Does not compute. Kamara's cap hit this year is $5M. Even if traded after June 1, the cap hit for the next two years would accelerate to $15M each year of 2021 and 2022. The Saints cannot afford to do anything with Kamara until likely after 2023. SFIAH

02-21-2021, 12:28 PM	#35
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Latavius Murray The cap is so overrated I think, watch Mickey do his magic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Boston Saint likes this.

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02-21-2021, 02:19 PM	#36
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by dizzle88 Exactly, not difficult to do against us. It's been done in 3 straight playoff exits since 2018. If it was that simple other teams would do it more often in the regular season and they would not have won the division this many times in a row. WW_Who_Dat and SaintGnome like this.

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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, yeah, when the safeties finally figure out they can stack in the box, that defense is gonna show out... That doesn't really explain how they also beat Greenbay and KC, two of the stronger armed QB's as well. AsylumGuido, WW_Who_Dat and Boston Saint like this.

02-21-2021, 07:21 PM	#38
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Latavius Murray I’ll say it again...Tampa had 3 quality WRs and a HOF TE. Plus a good 1-2 RB punch. Brees was throwing to an injured Thomas and Sanders plus a TE that fumbled and dropped 2 passes. If Hill or Harris is available to add a little relief, Saints win. Saints not being able to convert in red zone wasn’t because he had a noodle arm...it’s because he didn’t have the necessary weapons (Hill and Murray) to punch it in. Writing it off as a lack of Brees arm strength is using him as scapegoat. AsylumGuido likes this.
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02-21-2021, 07:54 PM	#39
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,189	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’ll say it again...Tampa had 3 quality WRs and a HOF TE. Plus a good 1-2 RB punch. Brees was throwing to an injured Thomas and Sanders plus a TE that fumbled and dropped 2 passes. If Hill or Harris is available to add a little relief, Saints win. Saints not being able to convert in red zone wasn’t because he had a noodle arm...it’s because he didn’t have the necessary weapons (Hill and Murray) to punch it in. Writing it off as a lack of Brees arm strength is using him as scapegoat. Amen, my brother! Amen! WW_Who_Dat and Boston Saint like this.

02-22-2021, 01:16 PM	#40
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Latavius Murray Murray is great in New Orleans in his role as a banger back. I hope he stays. He seems like a team first guy. Maybe he'll take a reduction to stay in New Orleans. Or he could chase the money and end up somewhere like Detroit. jnormand and Boston Saint like this.