Latavius Murray

Boston Saint · 02-18-2021, 07:50 PM

I find it...interesting the attitude and comments about Brees and him being too old to get it done. The game before he got hurt, the second TB game he looked just fine throwing for 4 TDS to 4 different receivers. Next week he gets hurt against SF and he isn’t the same for the rest of the year. And I still maintain that had Jared Cook not had the f’d-up plays he did the Saints win the playoff game and probably make the SB. If Brees is as healthy as he was before he broke ribs against the Niners, then I’d gladly take him back for another year.

jeanpierre · 02-19-2021, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I find it...interesting the attitude and comments about Brees and him being too old to get it done. The game before he got hurt, the second TB game he looked just fine throwing for 4 TDS to 4 different receivers. Next week he gets hurt against SF and he isn’t the same for the rest of the year. And I still maintain that had Jared Cook not had the f’d-up plays he did the Saints win the playoff game and probably make the SB. If Brees is as healthy as he was before he broke ribs against the Niners, then I’d gladly take him back for another year.

Tre'Quan Smith 14 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Adam Trautman 7 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Not exactly a lot of air yards in those throws; and they were banged up in their secondary at the time...

Also, I believe, Buccaneers DC Todd Bowles as well as HC Arians knew the situation and saved their best stuff for the playoffs, knowing their Superbowl went through New Orleans...

Look, short of one or two more Superbowls, we couldn't have scripted a better run for Brees with the Saints; with the exception of his caving to #cancelculture this past year, the guy really has been a Saint...

Attended a HS football game at Lusher Charter (daughter was Dance Team Captain on competing team) and what I saw in that school's community truly had me impressed; parents talked more about it than game...

But reality is all good things come to an end, and his age and the work he has to put in just throw a ball, never mind an elite level, at his age, which I'm a few years ahead of him, it's just nature finally winning out...

Boston Saint · 02-19-2021, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Tre'Quan Smith 14 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Adam Trautman 7 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees

Not exactly a lot of air yards in those throws; and they were banged up in their secondary at the time...

Also, I believe, Buccaneers DC Todd Bowles as well as HC Arians knew the situation and saved their best stuff for the playoffs, knowing their Superbowl went through New Orleans...

Look, short of one or two more Superbowls, we couldn't have scripted a better run for Brees with the Saints; with the exception of his caving to #cancelculture this past year, the guy really has been a Saint...

Attended a HS football game at Lusher Charter (daughter was Dance Team Captain on competing team) and what I saw in that school's community truly had me impressed; parents talked more about it than game...

But reality is all good things come to an end, and his age and the work he has to put in just throw a ball, never mind an elite level, at his age, which I'm a few years ahead of him, it's just nature finally winning out...

Why is the length of the TD pass make it more impactful? It’s still 6 points. People complained that Hill has no touch. Well, Brees does and always will.

Boston Saint · 02-19-2021, 09:30 AM

Look at it this way JP..they beat the eventual SB champs 38-3 at their house. Saints punted once in that game. Near 50/50 split run to pass on play calls. Brees had 270 yards 4 TDs through the air. Sorry if I don’t buy into the narrative of a “geriatric” QB who couldn’t get it done.

jeanpierre · 02-19-2021, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Why is the length of the TD pass make it more impactful? It’s still 6 points. People complained that Hill has no touch. Well, Brees does and always will.

A touchdown is a touchdown, but when you're unable to hit a WR, in-stride, 20+ yards downfield, then a defense has no fear of the deep ball, they jam at the line and muck up the middle - then you've no offense...

This is what defenses started doing to us the past four years in the playoffs as they no longer felt the need to defend the entire field; watch the games objectively, and you'll see it...

Think of a regular season game as a pawn and a tournament game as a bishop, knight, or rook...

Boston Saint · 02-19-2021, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

A touchdown is a touchdown, but when you're unable to hit a WR, in-stride, 20+ yards downfield, then a defense has no fear of the deep ball, they jam at the line and muck up the middle - then you've no offense...

This is what defenses started doing to us the past four years in the playoffs as they no longer felt the need to defend the entire field; watch the games objectively, and you'll see it...

Think of a regular season game as a pawn and a tournament game as a bishop, knight, or rook...

Except I don’t think that Brees weak arm was the reason we lost the last few years in the playoffs. Rodgers and Mahomes don’t have weak arms and they couldn’t beat Tampa either.

Rugby Saint II · 02-20-2021, 02:31 PM

I want Murray back. Hopefully, at a reduced rate. We just need to give him the ball more and let him earn his paycheck. He is the perfect compliment to Kamara with power and deceptive speed. He can take over a game if Sean would let him. He's proven that he is capable but Payton wants the ball in Kamara's hands every play no matter how badly banged up he is.

SaintGnome · 02-20-2021, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Except I don’t think that Brees weak arm was the reason we lost the last few years in the playoffs. Rodgers and Mahomes don’t have weak arms and they couldn’t beat Tampa either.

You have a point. Tampa's defense went next level the last 6 games of the season (including playoffs and SB) D-line and secondary especially.

jeanpierre · 02-20-2021, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Except I don’t think that Brees weak arm was the reason we lost the last few years in the playoffs. Rodgers and Mahomes don’t have weak arms and they couldn’t beat Tampa either.

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

You have a point. Tampa's defense went next level the last 6 games of the season (including playoffs and SB) D-line and secondary especially.

Well, yeah, when the safeties finally figure out they can stack in the box, that defense is gonna show out...

jeanpierre · 02-20-2021, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Ruiz needs to continue with building more muscle mass this off season. He was bullied quite a bit.

I hope Easton calls it a career. 3 concussions in a season is not good for his overall quality of life after football.

Not a popular name on the O line but I hope we find a way to re sign James Hurst. He's a versatile lineman who played well in relief.

Yeah, he's real young, but Sean was saying he was fully developed; guess not so much...

02-18-2021, 07:50 PM	#21
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Latavius Murray I find it...interesting the attitude and comments about Brees and him being too old to get it done. The game before he got hurt, the second TB game he looked just fine throwing for 4 TDS to 4 different receivers. Next week he gets hurt against SF and he isn’t the same for the rest of the year. And I still maintain that had Jared Cook not had the f’d-up plays he did the Saints win the playoff game and probably make the SB. If Brees is as healthy as he was before he broke ribs against the Niners, then I’d gladly take him back for another year. AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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02-19-2021, 09:09 AM	#22
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by Boston Saint I find it...interesting the attitude and comments about Brees and him being too old to get it done. The game before he got hurt, the second TB game he looked just fine throwing for 4 TDS to 4 different receivers. Next week he gets hurt against SF and he isn’t the same for the rest of the year. And I still maintain that had Jared Cook not had the f’d-up plays he did the Saints win the playoff game and probably make the SB. If Brees is as healthy as he was before he broke ribs against the Niners, then I’d gladly take him back for another year. Tre'Quan Smith 14 Yd pass from Drew Brees Adam Trautman 7 Yd pass from Drew Brees Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees Not exactly a lot of air yards in those throws; and they were banged up in their secondary at the time... Also, I believe, Buccaneers DC Todd Bowles as well as HC Arians knew the situation and saved their best stuff for the playoffs, knowing their Superbowl went through New Orleans... Look, short of one or two more Superbowls, we couldn't have scripted a better run for Brees with the Saints; with the exception of his caving to #cancelculture this past year, the guy really has been a Saint... Attended a HS football game at Lusher Charter (daughter was Dance Team Captain on competing team) and what I saw in that school's community truly had me impressed; parents talked more about it than game... But reality is all good things come to an end, and his age and the work he has to put in just throw a ball, never mind an elite level, at his age, which I'm a few years ahead of him, it's just nature finally winning out... SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.
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02-19-2021, 09:16 AM	#23
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre Tre'Quan Smith 14 Yd pass from Drew Brees Adam Trautman 7 Yd pass from Drew Brees Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees Emmanuel Sanders 12 Yd pass from Drew Brees Not exactly a lot of air yards in those throws; and they were banged up in their secondary at the time... Also, I believe, Buccaneers DC Todd Bowles as well as HC Arians knew the situation and saved their best stuff for the playoffs, knowing their Superbowl went through New Orleans... Look, short of one or two more Superbowls, we couldn't have scripted a better run for Brees with the Saints; with the exception of his caving to #cancelculture this past year, the guy really has been a Saint... Attended a HS football game at Lusher Charter (daughter was Dance Team Captain on competing team) and what I saw in that school's community truly had me impressed; parents talked more about it than game... But reality is all good things come to an end, and his age and the work he has to put in just throw a ball, never mind an elite level, at his age, which I'm a few years ahead of him, it's just nature finally winning out... Why is the length of the TD pass make it more impactful? It’s still 6 points. People complained that Hill has no touch. Well, Brees does and always will. Budsdrinker, AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.

02-19-2021, 09:30 AM	#24
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Latavius Murray Look at it this way JP..they beat the eventual SB champs 38-3 at their house. Saints punted once in that game. Near 50/50 split run to pass on play calls. Brees had 270 yards 4 TDs through the air. Sorry if I don’t buy into the narrative of a “geriatric” QB who couldn’t get it done. AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.

02-19-2021, 02:32 PM	#25
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by Boston Saint Why is the length of the TD pass make it more impactful? It’s still 6 points. People complained that Hill has no touch. Well, Brees does and always will. A touchdown is a touchdown, but when you're unable to hit a WR, in-stride, 20+ yards downfield, then a defense has no fear of the deep ball, they jam at the line and muck up the middle - then you've no offense... This is what defenses started doing to us the past four years in the playoffs as they no longer felt the need to defend the entire field; watch the games objectively, and you'll see it... Think of a regular season game as a pawn and a tournament game as a bishop, knight, or rook... Rugby Saint II likes this.

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02-19-2021, 02:53 PM	#26
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by jeanpierre A touchdown is a touchdown, but when you're unable to hit a WR, in-stride, 20+ yards downfield, then a defense has no fear of the deep ball, they jam at the line and muck up the middle - then you've no offense... This is what defenses started doing to us the past four years in the playoffs as they no longer felt the need to defend the entire field; watch the games objectively, and you'll see it... Think of a regular season game as a pawn and a tournament game as a bishop, knight, or rook... Except I don’t think that Brees weak arm was the reason we lost the last few years in the playoffs. Rodgers and Mahomes don’t have weak arms and they couldn’t beat Tampa either. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.

02-20-2021, 02:31 PM	#27
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,727	Re: Latavius Murray I want Murray back. Hopefully, at a reduced rate. We just need to give him the ball more and let him earn his paycheck. He is the perfect compliment to Kamara with power and deceptive speed. He can take over a game if Sean would let him. He's proven that he is capable but Payton wants the ball in Kamara's hands every play no matter how badly banged up he is. WW_Who_Dat and Boston Saint like this.

02-20-2021, 06:12 PM	#28
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by Boston Saint Except I don’t think that Brees weak arm was the reason we lost the last few years in the playoffs. Rodgers and Mahomes don’t have weak arms and they couldn’t beat Tampa either. You have a point. Tampa's defense went next level the last 6 games of the season (including playoffs and SB) D-line and secondary especially. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

02-20-2021, 09:43 PM	#29
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by Boston Saint Except I don’t think that Brees weak arm was the reason we lost the last few years in the playoffs. Rodgers and Mahomes don’t have weak arms and they couldn’t beat Tampa either. Originally Posted by SaintGnome You have a point. Tampa's defense went next level the last 6 games of the season (including playoffs and SB) D-line and secondary especially. Well, yeah, when the safeties finally figure out they can stack in the box, that defense is gonna show out...

02-20-2021, 09:44 PM	#30
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Latavius Murray Originally Posted by K Major Ruiz needs to continue with building more muscle mass this off season. He was bullied quite a bit. I hope Easton calls it a career. 3 concussions in a season is not good for his overall quality of life after football. Not a popular name on the O line but I hope we find a way to re sign James Hurst. He's a versatile lineman who played well in relief. Yeah, he's real young, but Sean was saying he was fully developed; guess not so much...