Brees coming back?

The Dude · 02-22-2021, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.

rezburna · 02-23-2021, 08:48 AM

Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2021, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Didn’t think that one through did ya?

Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol....
Aaron Rodgers - 27
Eli Manning - 27

And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning.

The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2021, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.

Thank God.

st thomas · 02-23-2021, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Thank God.

Lol , u both have great points and it was a awesome end to a debate hopefully. No pun intended

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The Dude · 02-23-2021, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy.

The new innovated scheme is exactly what we we’ve seen the last few years and it works great until we get to the point where we're facing teams with the talent and coaching to make the playoffs. The ship has sailed and I agree that Winston is the best shot we have given our circumstances.

st thomas · 02-23-2021, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy.

Good point Rez, the only way I see him coming back is a semi backup role. It will never happen though . Love Brees to death , never dreamed he would have to go out with a season like the last one. I if all wanted him to set the TD record. But Brady the greedy bastard will have it all.

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Boston Saint · 02-23-2021, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy.

Could be Rez. I have no issue if Winston is the QB next year. I also don’t have a problem if it’s Brees. I respect you and your opinion. I’m just not sure I agree with writing the loss off to a Brees weak arm when Tampa took out two of the strongest arms in the game in Rodgers and Mahomes right after they beat the Saints. If Cook doesn’t play like a scrub Or they had another healthy target on the field, then the Saints win that game. Just my view of things.

WW_Who_Dat · 02-23-2021, 10:18 AM

If Brees comes back they will prioritize the Oline and stabilize the run and pass coverage TB made their final run by but extreme pressure on the backfield with the outside rush and solid middle pressure with two extremely fast LB’s. This caused the Saints, Greenbay and KC the same problems getting the offense moving and all three of us could not affect TB’s offense anywhere near the same level in pressure points.

There where occasional long throws buy Brady but mostly he attacked between the hashes and the run game made KC pay with their zone coverage.

If Brees come back he will be the best QB in the room. If he does come back and we have players not willing to get onboard CSP will probably work those issues out of the system.

If TH does not want to play tight end, slot, fullback and special teams might be a shame to lose a really good football player who wants to play QB in the NFL but shows mediocre QB skills CSP might allow him the possibility to go somewhere else to pursue.

gosaints1 · 02-23-2021, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning.

The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

Good QB’s, all of them, who had their day in the sun..., an argument can be made that Aaron Rodgers, fresh off his MVP title, is still playing at an elite level at a more advanced age. But, let’s look at the numbers deeper.

Eli Manning:

Manning won his SB’s at ages 27 and 31. After his final SB at age 31, he made the playoffs once, a loss. Then promptly retired. So, he wasn’t successful after age 31, at all.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Big Ben:

Both Ben’s SB wins came early, ages 23 and 26. Even his SB loss was at age 28. Since that SB loss, Big Ben led Steelers have made the playoffs 6 (six) times. Of those six appearances, they lost immediately four times. They lost in the divisional round (age 33) and at the AFC Championship round (age 34) once also. He hasn’t done anything since age 34. And the following very recent statement about Big Ben isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the player.

"As we sit here today, Ben is a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. ... He reiterated to us that he wants to continue to play. We told him we have to look at this current situation." - Pittsburg Steelers GM Kevin Colbert

https://mobile.twitter.com/bepryor/s...00804337958912

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Aaron Rodgers:

This is the player that is still playing well, and being successful in the playoffs also. But his lone SB appearance was a decade ago, Feb 2011 (age 27) via the 2010 NFL season. Since then, he’s been to the NFC Championship game three times, all losses (ages 31, 33, and 37). But I agree here, he is still playing well, MVP level according to the NFL, and being .500 (2 wins, 2 losses) in the playoffs after the age of 36. But his window is closing quickly..., very, very quickly imho.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Bottom line, there are exceptions to every rule. But the idea that SB success is built around an “aged” veteran SB in their mid to late 30’s/early 40’s is faulty. There is a “sweet spot”, roughly at 31. The gradual decline begins for all of us, even the greatest athletes.

As others around here have quipped - Father Time remains undefeated.

02-22-2021, 09:32 PM	#71
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,892	Re: Brees coming back? Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy. dizzle88 and st thomas like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by TheOak Didn’t think that one through did ya? Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol.... Aaron Rodgers - 27 Eli Manning - 27 And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning. The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by The Dude Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless. Thank God.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by rezburna Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy. The new innovated scheme is exactly what we we’ve seen the last few years and it works great until we get to the point where we're facing teams with the talent and coaching to make the playoffs. The ship has sailed and I agree that Winston is the best shot we have given our circumstances.
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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by rezburna Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy. Good point Rez, the only way I see him coming back is a semi backup role. It will never happen though . Love Brees to death , never dreamed he would have to go out with a season like the last one. I if all wanted him to set the TD record. But Brady the greedy bastard will have it all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by rezburna Jameis Winston is a better quarterback than Eli Manning, Nick Foles, and Joe Flacco. He can win it all here. I believe he’s the best option. Yes, even over Drew Brees. I don’t know how many more times we have to watch the offense sputter in the playoffs because a good team is playing tight and taking away everything short. If Drew Brees were to come back it would have to be accompanied with a new, innovative scheme to mask those deficiencies. Either that or he needs to start taking HGH and getting stem cell therapy. Could be Rez. I have no issue if Winston is the QB next year. I also don’t have a problem if it’s Brees. I respect you and your opinion. I’m just not sure I agree with writing the loss off to a Brees weak arm when Tampa took out two of the strongest arms in the game in Rodgers and Mahomes right after they beat the Saints. If Cook doesn’t play like a scrub Or they had another healthy target on the field, then the Saints win that game. Just my view of things. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,269 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brees coming back? If Brees comes back they will prioritize the Oline and stabilize the run and pass coverage TB made their final run by but extreme pressure on the backfield with the outside rush and solid middle pressure with two extremely fast LB’s. This caused the Saints, Greenbay and KC the same problems getting the offense moving and all three of us could not affect TB’s offense anywhere near the same level in pressure points. There where occasional long throws buy Brady but mostly he attacked between the hashes and the run game made KC pay with their zone coverage. If Brees come back he will be the best QB in the room. If he does come back and we have players not willing to get onboard CSP will probably work those issues out of the system. If TH does not want to play tight end, slot, fullback and special teams might be a shame to lose a really good football player who wants to play QB in the NFL but shows mediocre QB skills CSP might allow him the possibility to go somewhere else to pursue. Boston Saint likes this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning. The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well. Good QB’s, all of them, who had their day in the sun..., an argument can be made that Aaron Rodgers, fresh off his MVP title, is still playing at an elite level at a more advanced age. But, let’s look at the numbers deeper. Eli Manning: Manning won his SB’s at ages 27 and 31. After his final SB at age 31, he made the playoffs once, a loss. Then promptly retired. So, he wasn’t successful after age 31, at all. https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/ Big Ben: Both Ben’s SB wins came early, ages 23 and 26. Even his SB loss was at age 28. Since that SB loss, Big Ben led Steelers have made the playoffs 6 (six) times. Of those six appearances, they lost immediately four times. They lost in the divisional round (age 33) and at the AFC Championship round (age 34) once also. He hasn’t done anything since age 34. And the following very recent statement about Big Ben isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the player. "As we sit here today, Ben is a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. ... He reiterated to us that he wants to continue to play. We told him we have to look at this current situation." - Pittsburg Steelers GM Kevin Colbert https://mobile.twitter.com/bepryor/s...00804337958912 https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/ Aaron Rodgers: This is the player that is still playing well, and being successful in the playoffs also. But his lone SB appearance was a decade ago, Feb 2011 (age 27) via the 2010 NFL season. Since then, he’s been to the NFC Championship game three times, all losses (ages 31, 33, and 37). But I agree here, he is still playing well, MVP level according to the NFL, and being .500 (2 wins, 2 losses) in the playoffs after the age of 36. But his window is closing quickly..., very, very quickly imho. https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/ Bottom line, there are exceptions to every rule. But the idea that SB success is built around an “aged” veteran SB in their mid to late 30’s/early 40’s is faulty. There is a “sweet spot”, roughly at 31. The gradual decline begins for all of us, even the greatest athletes. As others around here have quipped - Father Time remains undefeated. K Major likes this.
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