Brees coming back?

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2021, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

That is absolutely true....within 20-30 yards. After that not so much. Don't get me wrong I love Drew but this is really a young mans game.

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2021, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Generally speaking it's a young mans game. Rugby players play into their fifties very often. I retired at 59. I was a little past my prime and I admit it. O-linemen can play later in life at a top level like QB's. We all know RB's have a short shelf life. WR's are losing their advantage generally by 30.

Once you lose that quick twitch in the NFL you are done playing at a high level at most positions in the NFL. Not necessarily just QB's. This is why I say football is a young mans game.

Edit: None of those players went through likely career ending surgery early in their career.

gosaints1 · 02-22-2021, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

lol, This logic, oh man...

Ok, in:

2001 TB was 24 (born in Aug/77) when he played his first SB, lol. They weren’t ALWAYS over 40. My guess is that Tom Brady skews your sample set wrt years upwards, as he has aged, bc of the sheer number of SB’s he’s played in..., and won. Heck ⅓ of the seasons he has won a SB during the years you provided.

In 2002, how old was Brad Johnson (born in 68)? 34, lol. So yes, at 34 he was an older player.

In 2003, TB was only 2 years older at 26.

In 2004, TB was only 3 years older at 27.

I can go on and evaluate each one, at the time they played their SB’s, but you see the logic. Brad Johnson at 52 right now..., wasn’t 52 when he played in his SB. Tom Brady at 43 now..., wasn’t 43 when he played his first SB either. Rothlesberger was 23 during his first, same as Mahomes, with Brady just months behind them as who was the youngest to win it all.

Throughout all of the SB era the age of winning SB QB’s breaks down like this:

25 and under - (6)
26-30 - (24)
31-35 - (16)
36 - (9) including this year's SB.

Of those nine over 36, they are:

John Elway (twice)
Johnny Unitas
Jim Plunkett
Peyton Manning (Broncos)
&
Tom Brady (four times with two different teams)

The sweet spot is roughly 31 years old, if you average them all up. For reference - Drew Brees, born in 79, had just turned 31 when the Saints won their SB Feb 2010.

TheOak · 02-22-2021, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Didn’t think that one through did ya?

Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol....
Aaron Rodgers - 27
Eli Manning - 27

lee909 · 02-22-2021, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Didn’t think that one through did ya?

Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol....
Aaron Rodgers - 27
Eli Manning - 27

Just about all of the barring Brady and Manning second when he was given probably the most tools of any QB in history where still in their Primes of late 20s to very early 30s

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2021, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Didn’t think that one through did ya?

Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol....
Aaron Rodgers - 27
Eli Manning - 27

And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning.

The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

gosaints1 · 02-23-2021, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning.

The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

Good QB’s, all of them, who had their day in the sun..., an argument can be made that Aaron Rodgers, fresh off his MVP title, is still playing at an elite level at a more advanced age. But, let’s look at the numbers deeper.

Eli Manning:

Manning won his SB’s at ages 27 and 31. After his final SB at age 31, he made the playoffs once, a loss. Then promptly retired. So, he wasn’t successful after age 31, at all.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Big Ben:

Both Ben’s SB wins came early, ages 23 and 26. Even his SB loss was at age 28. Since that SB loss, Big Ben led Steelers have made the playoffs 6 (six) times. Of those six appearances, they lost immediately four times. They lost in the divisional round (age 33) and at the AFC Championship round (age 34) once also. He hasn’t done anything since age 34. And the following very recent statement about Big Ben isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the player.

"As we sit here today, Ben is a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. ... He reiterated to us that he wants to continue to play. We told him we have to look at this current situation." - Pittsburg Steelers GM Kevin Colbert

https://mobile.twitter.com/bepryor/s...00804337958912

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Aaron Rodgers:

This is the player that is still playing well, and being successful in the playoffs also. But his lone SB appearance was a decade ago, Feb 2011 (age 27) via the 2010 NFL season. Since then, he’s been to the NFC Championship game three times, all losses (ages 31, 33, and 37). But I agree here, he is still playing well, MVP level according to the NFL, and being .500 (2 wins, 2 losses) in the playoffs after the age of 36. But his window is closing quickly..., very, very quickly imho.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

Bottom line, there are exceptions to every rule. But the idea that SB success is built around an “aged” veteran SB in their mid to late 30’s/early 40’s is faulty. There is a “sweet spot”, roughly at 31. The gradual decline begins for all of us, even the greatest athletes.

As others around here have quipped - Father Time remains undefeated.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2021, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Bottom line, there are exceptions to every rule. But the idea that SB success is built around an “aged” veteran SB in their mid to late 30’s/early 40’s is faulty. There is a “sweet spot”, roughly at 31. The gradual decline begins for all of us, even the greatest athletes.

As others around here have quipped - Father Time remains undefeated.

I never said anywhere that Super Bowl success is built upon an "aged" veteran. My reply was to the statement that QBing in today's NFL is now a "young man's game". I was trying to point out that this is not true and success more often comes as a result of talent and/or experience for a QB. I'll take that over fresh young legs or a young strong arm any day.

The Dude · 02-22-2021, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2021, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.

Thank God.

02-22-2021, 03:00 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,677	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II That is absolutely true....within 20-30 yards. After that not so much. Don't get me wrong I love Drew but this is really a young mans game. Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all.

02-22-2021, 03:50 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. Generally speaking it's a young mans game. Rugby players play into their fifties very often. I retired at 59. I was a little past my prime and I admit it. O-linemen can play later in life at a top level like QB's. We all know RB's have a short shelf life. WR's are losing their advantage generally by 30. Once you lose that quick twitch in the NFL you are done playing at a high level at most positions in the NFL. Not necessarily just QB's. This is why I say football is a young mans game. Edit: None of those players went through likely career ending surgery early in their career.
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02-22-2021, 03:54 PM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. lol, This logic, oh man... Ok, in: 2001 TB was 24 (born in Aug/77) when he played his first SB, lol. They weren’t ALWAYS over 40. My guess is that Tom Brady skews your sample set wrt years upwards, as he has aged, bc of the sheer number of SB’s he’s played in..., and won. Heck ⅓ of the seasons he has won a SB during the years you provided. In 2002, how old was Brad Johnson (born in 68)? 34, lol. So yes, at 34 he was an older player. In 2003, TB was only 2 years older at 26. In 2004, TB was only 3 years older at 27. I can go on and evaluate each one, at the time they played their SB’s, but you see the logic. Brad Johnson at 52 right now..., wasn’t 52 when he played in his SB. Tom Brady at 43 now..., wasn’t 43 when he played his first SB either. Rothlesberger was 23 during his first, same as Mahomes, with Brady just months behind them as who was the youngest to win it all. Throughout all of the SB era the age of winning SB QB’s breaks down like this: 25 and under - (6) 26-30 - (24) 31-35 - (16) 36 - (9) including this year's SB. Of those nine over 36, they are: John Elway (twice) Johnny Unitas Jim Plunkett Peyton Manning (Broncos) & Tom Brady (four times with two different teams) The sweet spot is roughly 31 years old, if you average them all up. For reference - Drew Brees, born in 79, had just turned 31 when the Saints won their SB Feb 2010.
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02-22-2021, 05:59 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. Didn’t think that one through did ya? Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol.... Aaron Rodgers - 27 Eli Manning - 27 gosaints1 likes this.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by TheOak Didn’t think that one through did ya? Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol.... Aaron Rodgers - 27 Eli Manning - 27 Just about all of the barring Brady and Manning second when he was given probably the most tools of any QB in history where still in their Primes of late 20s to very early 30s gosaints1 likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,677	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by TheOak Didn’t think that one through did ya? Ben Roethlisberger was 23 lol.... Aaron Rodgers - 27 Eli Manning - 27 And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning. The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And all three are Hall of Fame worthy, right? They kept winning. Simply being young isn't the key to being a success as a QB as implied. They all had long successful careers because they were quality QB's. Playing QB isn't a young man's game these days. Being a quality QB is the key to winning. The list I shared is made up entirely of either future HOF QB's or veterans. And most all of them had a top notch defense, as well. Good QB’s, all of them, who had their day in the sun..., an argument can be made that Aaron Rodgers, fresh off his MVP title, is still playing at an elite level at a more advanced age. But, let’s look at the numbers deeper. Eli Manning: Manning won his SB’s at ages 27 and 31. After his final SB at age 31, he made the playoffs once, a loss. Then promptly retired. So, he wasn’t successful after age 31, at all. https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/ Big Ben: Both Ben’s SB wins came early, ages 23 and 26. Even his SB loss was at age 28. Since that SB loss, Big Ben led Steelers have made the playoffs 6 (six) times. Of those six appearances, they lost immediately four times. They lost in the divisional round (age 33) and at the AFC Championship round (age 34) once also. He hasn’t done anything since age 34. And the following very recent statement about Big Ben isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the player. "As we sit here today, Ben is a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. ... He reiterated to us that he wants to continue to play. We told him we have to look at this current situation." - Pittsburg Steelers GM Kevin Colbert https://mobile.twitter.com/bepryor/s...00804337958912 https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/ Aaron Rodgers: This is the player that is still playing well, and being successful in the playoffs also. But his lone SB appearance was a decade ago, Feb 2011 (age 27) via the 2010 NFL season. Since then, he’s been to the NFC Championship game three times, all losses (ages 31, 33, and 37). But I agree here, he is still playing well, MVP level according to the NFL, and being .500 (2 wins, 2 losses) in the playoffs after the age of 36. But his window is closing quickly..., very, very quickly imho. https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/ Bottom line, there are exceptions to every rule. But the idea that SB success is built around an “aged” veteran SB in their mid to late 30’s/early 40’s is faulty. There is a “sweet spot”, roughly at 31. The gradual decline begins for all of us, even the greatest athletes. As others around here have quipped - Father Time remains undefeated. K Major likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,677	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by gosaints1 Bottom line, there are exceptions to every rule. But the idea that SB success is built around an “aged” veteran SB in their mid to late 30’s/early 40’s is faulty. There is a “sweet spot”, roughly at 31. The gradual decline begins for all of us, even the greatest athletes. As others around here have quipped - Father Time remains undefeated. I never said anywhere that Super Bowl success is built upon an "aged" veteran. My reply was to the statement that QBing in today's NFL is now a "young man's game". I was trying to point out that this is not true and success more often comes as a result of talent and/or experience for a QB. I'll take that over fresh young legs or a young strong arm any day.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly how old is this year's Super Bowl winning QB? Since 2001 the winning QB's have been Tom Brady, Brad Johnson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady. Out of all of those only Mahomes and possibly Wilson could be considered young when they won it all. Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,677	Re: Brees coming back? Originally Posted by The Dude Wow. Just wow. I’m speechless. Thank God.