Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in | USA Today/SaintsWire

Boston Saint · 03-03-2021, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It would have to be the average length of a career, because it is absolutely verifiable the number of rookies drafted and signed as UDFA's every year and also make the opening day roster. However, what isn't included is the number of rookies that are picked up during the season. Practice squads are continuously evolving all season long.

Another possible factor is that a rookie signed to a 90 man roster and cut and never resigned has a career length of zero which is factored into the overall number. With that in mind an average career of 3.3 years makes perfect sense. If only 246 of 650 signed rookies made the week one roster in 2020 it means that 404 2020 rookies potentially had careers of zero years.

So you see my point about the numbers being...flexible depending on the parameters set?

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2021, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So you see my point about the numbers being...flexible depending on the parameters set?

Yes. Both the 3.3 year average career and the 35% of rookies making the roster are defendable based upon those set parameters. It just goes to show the importance of context.

Boston Saint · 03-03-2021, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. Both the 3.3 year average career and the 35% of rookies making the roster are defendable based upon those set parameters. It just goes to show the importance of context.

O, you missed the point. You went from 35% of drafted players to 35% of “rookies” which you loosely defined

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2021, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

O, you missed the point. You went from 35% of drafted players to 35% of “rookies” which you loosely defined

No, I didn't miss your point. I researched to try to better understand that 35% number that I have seen and read many times over and reasoned out that the 35% pertained to draftees AND undrafted free agents. If you look back I did mention that the percentage may include UDFA's in my initial post. I also agree that the context is important.

gosaints1 · 03-03-2021, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No, I didn't miss your point. I researched to try to better understand that 35% number that I have seen and read many times over and reasoned out that the 35% pertained to draftees AND undrafted free agents. If you look back I did mention that the percentage may include UDFA's in my initial post. I also agree that the context is important.

We are discussing the actual draft, and why it is critical to actually have draft choices and not trade them away. UDFA does not enter that equation. At All.

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gosaints1 · 03-03-2021, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. Both the 3.3 year average career and the 35% of rookies making the roster are defendable based upon those set parameters. It just goes to show the importance of context.

That 3.3 statistic is faulty, it comes from malformed logic by a geek at WSJ, and CNNSI picked up on it and declared it dogma.

Here:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...etting-shorter

Regardless, once again, years until retirement is unimportant to the discussion over drafted rookies making a roster.

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03-03-2021, 12:36 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in \| USA Today/SaintsWire Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It would have to be the average length of a career, because it is absolutely verifiable the number of rookies drafted and signed as UDFA's every year and also make the opening day roster. However, what isn't included is the number of rookies that are picked up during the season. Practice squads are continuously evolving all season long. Another possible factor is that a rookie signed to a 90 man roster and cut and never resigned has a career length of zero which is factored into the overall number. With that in mind an average career of 3.3 years makes perfect sense. If only 246 of 650 signed rookies made the week one roster in 2020 it means that 404 2020 rookies potentially had careers of zero years. So you see my point about the numbers being...flexible depending on the parameters set? AsylumGuido likes this.

03-03-2021, 12:40 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in \| USA Today/SaintsWire Originally Posted by Boston Saint So you see my point about the numbers being...flexible depending on the parameters set? Yes. Both the 3.3 year average career and the 35% of rookies making the roster are defendable based upon those set parameters. It just goes to show the importance of context.

03-03-2021, 12:42 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in \| USA Today/SaintsWire Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. Both the 3.3 year average career and the 35% of rookies making the roster are defendable based upon those set parameters. It just goes to show the importance of context. O, you missed the point. You went from 35% of drafted players to 35% of “rookies” which you loosely defined gosaints1 likes this.

03-03-2021, 01:33 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in \| USA Today/SaintsWire Originally Posted by Boston Saint O, you missed the point. You went from 35% of drafted players to 35% of “rookies” which you loosely defined No, I didn't miss your point. I researched to try to better understand that 35% number that I have seen and read many times over and reasoned out that the 35% pertained to draftees AND undrafted free agents. If you look back I did mention that the percentage may include UDFA's in my initial post. I also agree that the context is important.

03-03-2021, 01:35 PM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in \| USA Today/SaintsWire Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No, I didn't miss your point. I researched to try to better understand that 35% number that I have seen and read many times over and reasoned out that the 35% pertained to draftees AND undrafted free agents. If you look back I did mention that the percentage may include UDFA's in my initial post. I also agree that the context is important. We are discussing the actual draft, and why it is critical to actually have draft choices and not trade them away. UDFA does not enter that equation. At All. Edit: Formatting error
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