Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson

K Major · 03-05-2021, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Why does it have to be picks to begin with?

Trade them Peat, Armstead, and whoever else is equivalent to a #1 draft pick. Might help us with the cap too.

I believe they DO have Popeyes in Seattle...

iceshack149 · 03-05-2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

claro que si

saintsfan1976 · 03-05-2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks?

That's a valid point. I guess Wilson could come in and be the opposite of who's he's been his entire life. It's probably more likely that Winston will continue to be the boom/bust player he's been.

As far as players go, look I'm not concerned about losing 2 key people OR picks if we bring Wilson in. Look at what he's accomplished in Seattle with a porous line and basically one WR.

As with any signing you must weigh the risk and for me Russel Wilson is worth whatever we lose compared to what we gain over the next 6-7 years.

ChrisXVI · 03-05-2021, 05:45 PM

Don’t trade for Russell. That talk is freaking absurd. Has Payton not taught people yet that he can win without Brees?! Our backup TE had a winning record starting at QB under Payton.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2021, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Don’t trade for Russell. That talk is freaking absurd. Has Payton not taught people yet that he can win without Brees?! Our backup TE had a winning record starting at QB under Payton.

Of course each team he faced sucked, including the won that beat him.

saintsfan1976 · 03-06-2021, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course each team he faced sucked, including the won that beat him.

Yep

Taysom beat the lowly Falcons twice on two rushing TDs and zero passing TDs.

Wins in Denver against a team with no QB by throwing just 16 times.

I won't hang the Eagles loss on him, it was a typical Saints letdown.

I didn't come away with the impression Taysom is the QB of the future.

Rugby Saint II · 03-07-2021, 04:26 PM

Dios Mio!

TheOak · 03-08-2021, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks?

That is distinction without difference as the premise stands for all players and teams year over year including our own players. As much is known about next year Wilson as next year Brees or Peat.

Pono ʻoe e makaʻu iā ia no ka biscuit.

Boston Saint · 03-08-2021, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

That is distinction without difference as the premise stands for all players and teams year over year including our own players. As much is known about next year Wilson as next year Brees or Peat.

Pono ʻoe e makaʻu iā ia no ka biscuit.

Fair enough about the regression. And I wouldn’t expect any regression from Wilson if obtained. However, if three picks and Thomas or Ram are used to get him, I worry about who he throws too and/or blocks for him. Wilson had two receivers in Metcalf and Locket that were better than anything the saints had last year and he was unhappy. Having less targets couldn’t help out.

03-05-2021, 01:12 PM	#11
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson Originally Posted by SmashMouth Why does it have to be picks to begin with? Trade them Peat, Armstead, and whoever else is equivalent to a #1 draft pick. Might help us with the cap too. I believe they DO have Popeyes in Seattle... jnormand, SmashMouth and shawnkytonk like this.

03-05-2021, 01:15 PM	#12
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03-05-2021, 02:43 PM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,026 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston Originally Posted by Boston Saint Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks? That's a valid point. I guess Wilson could come in and be the opposite of who's he's been his entire life. It's probably more likely that Winston will continue to be the boom/bust player he's been. As far as players go, look I'm not concerned about losing 2 key people OR picks if we bring Wilson in. Look at what he's accomplished in Seattle with a porous line and basically one WR. As with any signing you must weigh the risk and for me Russel Wilson is worth whatever we lose compared to what we gain over the next 6-7 years.

03-05-2021, 05:45 PM	#14
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson Don’t trade for Russell. That talk is freaking absurd. Has Payton not taught people yet that he can win without Brees?! Our backup TE had a winning record starting at QB under Payton. SmashMouth likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Don’t trade for Russell. That talk is freaking absurd. Has Payton not taught people yet that he can win without Brees?! Our backup TE had a winning record starting at QB under Payton. Of course each team he faced sucked, including the won that beat him. darksoul35, stickman and shawnkytonk like this.

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03-06-2021, 09:07 AM	#16
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,026 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course each team he faced sucked, including the won that beat him. Yep Taysom beat the lowly Falcons twice on two rushing TDs and zero passing TDs. Wins in Denver against a team with no QB by throwing just 16 times. I won't hang the Eagles loss on him, it was a typical Saints letdown. I didn't come away with the impression Taysom is the QB of the future. darksoul35, stickman and K Major like this.

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03-08-2021, 06:48 AM	#18
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston Originally Posted by Boston Saint Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks? That is distinction without difference as the premise stands for all players and teams year over year including our own players. As much is known about next year Wilson as next year Brees or Peat. Pono ʻoe e makaʻu iā ia no ka biscuit.

03-08-2021, 07:18 AM	#19
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston Originally Posted by TheOak That is distinction without difference as the premise stands for all players and teams year over year including our own players. As much is known about next year Wilson as next year Brees or Peat. Pono ʻoe e makaʻu iā ia no ka biscuit. Fair enough about the regression. And I wouldn’t expect any regression from Wilson if obtained. However, if three picks and Thomas or Ram are used to get him, I worry about who he throws too and/or blocks for him. Wilson had two receivers in Metcalf and Locket that were better than anything the saints had last year and he was unhappy. Having less targets couldn’t help out. Rugby Saint II likes this.