2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

gosaints1 · 05-04-2021, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Tuttle and Roach rose up the depth chart last season with both Brown and Rankins missing time, and they did a very nice job at it. So I'm not too worried about the big boys in the middle with Nielsen calling the shots, which is a nice departure from the Bill Johnson era.

That UDFA DT looks promising as well.

Fully understand that logic wrt the recent acquisitions who’ve never played a down for the Saints, and agree with that optimism. But, when Brown wasn’t in the rotation/lineup, the run defense took a step backwards, significantly from my view. Week’s 14, 15, & 16 were the 3 regular season games Brown didn’t appear in last year. And the normally super stout run defense surrendered 246, 179, and 90 yards respectively. 246, and then 179? That constitutes “doing a very nice job at it”? 90 yards from Minnesota and D.Cook? Yeah, it’s hard to shut him down, but that was an odd game in which the Saints rushed the ball 45 times for over 250 yards (combined) and scored 52 points, A.Kamara having six rushing TD’s. D.Cook only touched the ball 15 times, and still had almost a 5 ypc average.

Fully understand, and agree with, an argument that says team defense stats shouldn’t be assigned to one or two players alone, and also the argument that a lot of things were different for that defensive line other than just Brown/Rankins being replaced with Tuttle/Roach.

But I just didn’t see what you saw out of Tuttle or Roach last season, doubly so for when they “rose up the depth charts”.

246?

179?

Back to Back games?

Oooofff

K Major · 05-04-2021, 08:19 AM

Josiah Bronson - DT … UDFA 6'3 305 lbs.

Another unpolished gem worth developing perhaps?

gosaints1 · 05-04-2021, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Josiah Bronson - DT … UDFA 6'3 305 lbs.

Another unpolished gem worth developing perhaps?

Sure, a three technique tackle that is quick, agile, flows naturally to the ball carrier, has good hands. Great upside! And..., iirc, didn’t Malcolm Brown get drafted by the Patriots from Univ of Texas largely as a three technique tackle?

lol..., You trolling me? Trying to get me excited? He would be a good one off replacement, if he develops well, but is not an immediate starter. That being said, I have a very difficult time trying to see the large picture Dennis Allen is trying to paint. That inability keeps me on the sidelines more often than not, when it comes to player/pos’n analysis.

Bottom line, it’s very easy to hyper-analyze past productivity..., it’s VERY difficult to forecast future productivity. lol, I wish I was better in that category, sadly I’m not.

K Major · 05-04-2021, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Sure, a three technique tackle that is quick, agile, flows naturally to the ball carrier, has good hands. Great upside! And..., iirc, didn’t Malcolm Brown get drafted by the Patriots from Univ of Texas largely as a three technique tackle?

lol..., You trolling me? Trying to get me excited? He would be a good one off replacement, if he develops well, but is not an immediate starter. That being said, I have a very difficult time trying to see the large picture Dennis Allen is trying to paint. That inability keeps me on the sidelines more often than not, when it comes to player/pos’n analysis.

Bottom line, it’s very easy to hyper-analyze past productivity..., it’s VERY difficult to forecast future productivity. lol, I wish I was better in that category, sadly I’m not.

While we are on the subject of DT's …

Remember Jalen Dalton from last season? Big (6'6 300) young guy, tore his tricep at camp. Per Nick Underhill, he's back healthy and will compete against Roach.

Undrafted (as was Roach) out of North Carolina, however he was showing promise. I think we'll be just fine on that D line. Quite a few dogs.

X factor … Ryan Nielsen

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FinSaint · 05-04-2021, 03:00 PM

Werner could potentially help the run defense as well if his highlights are anything to go by.

saintsfan1976 · 05-04-2021, 03:55 PM

Imagine a (healthy) Nascar Package with
Davenport
Onyemata or Turner
Kpassagnon
Jordan

We can throw a lot at a QB!

jeanpierre · 05-04-2021, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Imagine a (healthy) Nascar Package with
Davenport
Onyemata or Turner
Kpassagnon
Jordan

We can throw a lot at a QB!

Actually I'd leave Onyemata in at DT and run the Nascar package of

Jordan or Turner, Onyemata, Davenport, Granderson...

AsylumGuido · 05-04-2021, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Actually I'd leave Onyemata in at DT and run the Nascar package of

Jordan or Turner, Onyemata, Davenport, Granderson...

That's what I was going to say. All of that length and athleticism could cause some real problems.

jeanpierre · 05-04-2021, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Imagine a (healthy) Nascar Package with
Davenport
Onyemata or Turner
Kpassagnon
Jordan

We can throw a lot at a QB!

If Turner can progress to play 50% of the snaps this year (first rounder should start Gm1), it's possible Kpassagnon doesn't make the roster, or is traded...

saintsfan1976 · 05-06-2021, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If Turner can progress to play 50% of the snaps this year (first rounder should start Gm1), it's possible Kpassagnon doesn't make the roster, or is traded...

6'7" with 35" arms. And speed. I don't see how he doesn't improve our rush, especially on passing downs.

05-04-2021, 08:13 AM	#1
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by FinSaint Tuttle and Roach rose up the depth chart last season with both Brown and Rankins missing time, and they did a very nice job at it. So I'm not too worried about the big boys in the middle with Nielsen calling the shots, which is a nice departure from the Bill Johnson era. That UDFA DT looks promising as well. Fully understand that logic wrt the recent acquisitions who’ve never played a down for the Saints, and agree with that optimism. But, when Brown wasn’t in the rotation/lineup, the run defense took a step backwards, significantly from my view. Week’s 14, 15, & 16 were the 3 regular season games Brown didn’t appear in last year. And the normally super stout run defense surrendered 246, 179, and 90 yards respectively. 246, and then 179? That constitutes “doing a very nice job at it”? 90 yards from Minnesota and D.Cook? Yeah, it’s hard to shut him down, but that was an odd game in which the Saints rushed the ball 45 times for over 250 yards (combined) and scored 52 points, A.Kamara having six rushing TD’s. D.Cook only touched the ball 15 times, and still had almost a 5 ypc average. Fully understand, and agree with, an argument that says team defense stats shouldn’t be assigned to one or two players alone, and also the argument that a lot of things were different for that defensive line other than just Brown/Rankins being replaced with Tuttle/Roach. But I just didn’t see what you saw out of Tuttle or Roach last season, doubly so for when they “rose up the depth charts”. 246? 179? Back to Back games? Oooofff
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05-04-2021, 08:19 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,887 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Josiah Bronson - DT … UDFA 6'3 305 lbs. Another unpolished gem worth developing perhaps? gosaints1 and MarchingOn like this.

05-04-2021, 09:15 AM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Josiah Bronson - DT … UDFA 6'3 305 lbs. Another unpolished gem worth developing perhaps? Sure, a three technique tackle that is quick, agile, flows naturally to the ball carrier, has good hands. Great upside! And..., iirc, didn’t Malcolm Brown get drafted by the Patriots from Univ of Texas largely as a three technique tackle? lol..., You trolling me? Trying to get me excited? He would be a good one off replacement, if he develops well, but is not an immediate starter. That being said, I have a very difficult time trying to see the large picture Dennis Allen is trying to paint. That inability keeps me on the sidelines more often than not, when it comes to player/pos’n analysis. Bottom line, it’s very easy to hyper-analyze past productivity..., it’s VERY difficult to forecast future productivity. lol, I wish I was better in that category, sadly I’m not. K Major likes this.
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05-04-2021, 10:41 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,887 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by gosaints1 Sure, a three technique tackle that is quick, agile, flows naturally to the ball carrier, has good hands. Great upside! And..., iirc, didn’t Malcolm Brown get drafted by the Patriots from Univ of Texas largely as a three technique tackle? lol..., You trolling me? Trying to get me excited? He would be a good one off replacement, if he develops well, but is not an immediate starter. That being said, I have a very difficult time trying to see the large picture Dennis Allen is trying to paint. That inability keeps me on the sidelines more often than not, when it comes to player/pos’n analysis. Bottom line, it’s very easy to hyper-analyze past productivity..., it’s VERY difficult to forecast future productivity. lol, I wish I was better in that category, sadly I’m not. While we are on the subject of DT's … Remember Jalen Dalton from last season? Big (6'6 300) young guy, tore his tricep at camp. Per Nick Underhill, he's back healthy and will compete against Roach. Undrafted (as was Roach) out of North Carolina, however he was showing promise. I think we'll be just fine on that D line. Quite a few dogs. X factor … Ryan Nielsen .

05-04-2021, 03:00 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Werner could potentially help the run defense as well if his highlights are anything to go by.

05-04-2021, 03:55 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,087 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Imagine a (healthy) Nascar Package with Davenport Onyemata or Turner Kpassagnon Jordan We can throw a lot at a QB! jeanpierre likes this.

05-04-2021, 04:12 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Imagine a (healthy) Nascar Package with Davenport Onyemata or Turner Kpassagnon Jordan We can throw a lot at a QB! Actually I'd leave Onyemata in at DT and run the Nascar package of Jordan or Turner, Onyemata, Davenport, Granderson... saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and MarchingOn like this.

05-04-2021, 04:24 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,879	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Actually I'd leave Onyemata in at DT and run the Nascar package of Jordan or Turner, Onyemata, Davenport, Granderson... That's what I was going to say. All of that length and athleticism could cause some real problems.

05-04-2021, 07:37 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Imagine a (healthy) Nascar Package with Davenport Onyemata or Turner Kpassagnon Jordan We can throw a lot at a QB! If Turner can progress to play 50% of the snaps this year (first rounder should start Gm1), it's possible Kpassagnon doesn't make the roster, or is traded...

05-06-2021, 07:44 AM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,087 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre If Turner can progress to play 50% of the snaps this year (first rounder should start Gm1), it's possible Kpassagnon doesn't make the roster, or is traded... 6'7" with 35" arms. And speed. I don't see how he doesn't improve our rush, especially on passing downs. SmashMouth, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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