2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

K Major · 07-14-2021, 10:51 AM

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz

With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard.

AsylumGuido · 07-14-2021, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz

With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard.

As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud.

K Major · 07-14-2021, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud.

I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie.

Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle.

Rugby Saint II · 07-14-2021, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie.

Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle.

He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.

K Major · 07-14-2021, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.

McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL.

AsylumGuido · 07-14-2021, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL.

Rugs is talking about the defensive calls. As you know both the QB and the center read and identify the defense. Either one can call the Mike's number. As you pointed out his execution was great, but I'd read his defensive reads needed work early. By the way, that was Ruiz' strength in college. His coach said he correctly identified 99% of the defensive reads at center over his career.

jeanpierre · 07-14-2021, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.

Rugs, as Major is reminding, that was Ruiz, Brother, not McCoy...

McCoy's rookie season was before the #WuhanPandemic...

Saints graded Ruiz high, saw he was there, and McCoy had shown rare, elite speed to get downfield and so they thought to move McCoy to Right Guard...

But Ruiz was unable to grasp the offensive calls, limited time because of the pandemic, so McCoy stayed at Center and Ruiz was tried at Guard...

Rugby Saint II · 07-15-2021, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz

With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard.

Personally I would prefer Ruiz play at his natural position...center. He is undersized for a guard while McCoy is built to play guard. Play the best five to their strengths.

jeanpierre · 07-15-2021, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Personally I would prefer Ruiz play at his natural position...center. He is undersized for a guard while McCoy is built to play guard. Play the best five to their strengths.

Plus one with Rugs; liked the Saints thinking that McCoy's speed, stamina, they could use him like a bowling ball going downfield for Kamara et al...

But if Ruiz can't grasp the concepts and reads at Center, then we've got to find another Center or Right Guard; Clapp would be the immediate remedy...

Clapp has the head for it, he's just has to get stronger, naturally of course...

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2021, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rugs, as Major is reminding, that was Ruiz, Brother, not McCoy...

McCoy's rookie season was before the #WuhanPandemic...

Saints graded Ruiz high, saw he was there, and McCoy had shown rare, elite speed to get downfield and so they thought to move McCoy to Right Guard...

But Ruiz was unable to grasp the offensive calls, limited time because of the pandemic, so McCoy stayed at Center and Ruiz was tried at Guard...

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Plus one with Rugs; liked the Saints thinking that McCoy's speed, stamina, they could use him like a bowling ball going downfield for Kamara et al...

But if Ruiz can't grasp the concepts and reads at Center, then we've got to find another Center or Right Guard; Clapp would be the immediate remedy...

Clapp has the head for it, he's just has to get stronger, naturally of course...

Sorry, but I do not remember Ruiz being "unable to grasp the offensive calls" at center or not grasping "the concepts and reads at Center". That was his strength at Michigan. Where did you get that information? Ruiz never got the opportunity to handle center last season at all.

Saints 2020 Year-in-Review: Cesar Ruiz

"Coaches planned on McCoy, predominantly a guard in college at Texas A&M, and Ruiz to each have reps at guard and center during preseason games to find their best fits. Unfortunately, a nationwide outbreak of COVID-19 forced the cancelation of offseason workouts, preseason games, and limited training camp.

Coaches felt that leaving McCoy at center would provide the best continuity during a limited offseason. That left Ruiz to learn a new position at the NFL level with fewer reps."

07-14-2021, 10:51 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard.

07-14-2021, 11:45 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard. As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud.

07-14-2021, 11:58 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud. I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie. Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle.

07-14-2021, 12:08 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie. Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle. He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.
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07-14-2021, 12:32 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball. McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL.

07-14-2021, 03:51 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL. Rugs is talking about the defensive calls. As you know both the QB and the center read and identify the defense. Either one can call the Mike's number. As you pointed out his execution was great, but I'd read his defensive reads needed work early. By the way, that was Ruiz' strength in college. His coach said he correctly identified 99% of the defensive reads at center over his career.

07-14-2021, 08:29 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball. Rugs, as Major is reminding, that was Ruiz, Brother, not McCoy... McCoy's rookie season was before the #WuhanPandemic... Saints graded Ruiz high, saw he was there, and McCoy had shown rare, elite speed to get downfield and so they thought to move McCoy to Right Guard... But Ruiz was unable to grasp the offensive calls, limited time because of the pandemic, so McCoy stayed at Center and Ruiz was tried at Guard...

07-15-2021, 09:46 AM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard. Personally I would prefer Ruiz play at his natural position...center. He is undersized for a guard while McCoy is built to play guard. Play the best five to their strengths.

07-15-2021, 09:57 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Personally I would prefer Ruiz play at his natural position...center. He is undersized for a guard while McCoy is built to play guard. Play the best five to their strengths. Plus one with Rugs; liked the Saints thinking that McCoy's speed, stamina, they could use him like a bowling ball going downfield for Kamara et al... But if Ruiz can't grasp the concepts and reads at Center, then we've got to find another Center or Right Guard; Clapp would be the immediate remedy... Clapp has the head for it, he's just has to get stronger, naturally of course...

07-15-2021, 12:18 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rugs, as Major is reminding, that was Ruiz, Brother, not McCoy... McCoy's rookie season was before the #WuhanPandemic... Saints graded Ruiz high, saw he was there, and McCoy had shown rare, elite speed to get downfield and so they thought to move McCoy to Right Guard... But Ruiz was unable to grasp the offensive calls, limited time because of the pandemic, so McCoy stayed at Center and Ruiz was tried at Guard... Originally Posted by jeanpierre Plus one with Rugs; liked the Saints thinking that McCoy's speed, stamina, they could use him like a bowling ball going downfield for Kamara et al... But if Ruiz can't grasp the concepts and reads at Center, then we've got to find another Center or Right Guard; Clapp would be the immediate remedy... Clapp has the head for it, he's just has to get stronger, naturally of course... Sorry, but I do not remember Ruiz being "unable to grasp the offensive calls" at center or not grasping "the concepts and reads at Center". That was his strength at Michigan. Where did you get that information? Ruiz never got the opportunity to handle center last season at all. Saints 2020 Year-in-Review: Cesar Ruiz "Coaches planned on McCoy, predominantly a guard in college at Texas A&M, and Ruiz to each have reps at guard and center during preseason games to find their best fits. Unfortunately, a nationwide outbreak of COVID-19 forced the cancelation of offseason workouts, preseason games, and limited training camp. Coaches felt that leaving McCoy at center would provide the best continuity during a limited offseason. That left Ruiz to learn a new position at the NFL level with fewer reps."
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