Saints players complain about 17 game schedule

TheOak · 04-01-2021, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

That's shortsighted. You can have a disagreement about an issue when there's only one person involved. You really believe that a union with over 2000 people are going to be 100% in agreement over this issue?

There are people who did not want the 17th game. The issue was voted upon. They lost that vote. You really believe because the majority voted for an issue that the dissenters lost their right to complain about it?

SFIAH

You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone.

Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess.

This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does.

The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining.

This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record...

This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially.

st thomas · 04-01-2021, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone.

Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess.

This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does.

The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining.

This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record...

This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially.

Thank you for that, and Alvin Better not fart in the locker room now because gods-hell will take away a game check from him he got payed now he’s talking about everything but airheads

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-01-2021, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone.

Now I understand. This is really about not liking how millennials operate. "Those darn kids need to get off my lawn."

Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess.

You still haven't explained the harm caused by people expressing their opinions or feelings on a subject other that it seems to annoy you.

This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does.

But that specific change against the record is huge. The record affects playoff seeding. A regular season game is played full bore, not at minimal intensity of a preseason game. Veterans play minimal, or not at all in preseason games.

The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining.

This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record...

This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially.

I'm not really debating the 17th game with you. I'm debating the premise of "Shut up. Play football. Be glad you have a job. If you don't like it, then quit." with no other options attitude when some have dissent to a proposal. Just because that's what you would do in that situation doesn't mean that others don't have a right to go in a different direction.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 04-01-2021, 12:10 PM

The players are slaves to the CBA. Good job standing up for players rights Smith.

The CBA only addresses players money concerns. Not the working conditions and Godhell still has the ultimate power.

Boston Saint · 04-01-2021, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The players are slaves to the CBA. Good job standing up for players rights Smith.

The CBA only addresses players money concerns. Not the working conditions and Godhell still has the ultimate power.

But the working conditions have been changed to assist player health as part of the CBA just like other jobs. Like PPE in labs or construction sites, the NFL regulates that along with concussion protocols and changes to rules that penalize hits on defenseless players and protect the QBs.

04-01-2021, 05:02 AM	#31
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Saints players complain about 17 game schedule Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL That's shortsighted. You can have a disagreement about an issue when there's only one person involved. You really believe that a union with over 2000 people are going to be 100% in agreement over this issue? There are people who did not want the 17th game. The issue was voted upon. They lost that vote. You really believe because the majority voted for an issue that the dissenters lost their right to complain about it? SFIAH You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone. Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess. This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does. The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining. This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record... This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially. jnormand, Rugby Saint II, st thomas and 1 others like this.
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04-01-2021, 08:39 AM	#32
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints players complain about 17 game schedule Originally Posted by TheOak You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone. Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess. This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does. The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining. This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record... This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially. Thank you for that, and Alvin Better not fart in the locker room now because gods-hell will take away a game check from him he got payed now he’s talking about everything but airheads Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-01-2021, 10:55 AM	#33
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Saints players complain about 17 game schedule Originally Posted by TheOak You are missing the point completely and so are they. A vote not going someone's way is no justification for b1tching and moaning after, that's some new aged millennial liberal crap where tantrums get thrown for years after a vote. Contrary to popular belief, it is very much okay to not agree with something privately and not take it to twitter and a microphone. Now I understand. This is really about not liking how millennials operate. "Those darn kids need to get off my lawn." Adults take good and bad and move on, otherwise they can resign and do what ever other skill set they possess. You still haven't explained the harm caused by people expressing their opinions or feelings on a subject other that it seems to annoy you. This is being framed inaccurately as the league did not add a game. The league moved a preseason game to the regular season. 2020 was 4 preseason and 16 regular, 2021 is 3 preseason and 17 regular. Total preseason+regular season games in 2021 will be the same as 2020. Ergo they aren't playing more for less money, one could very much argue that the only change is that 1 game that didn't count against their regular season record, now does. But that specific change against the record is huge. The record affects playoff seeding. A regular season game is played full bore, not at minimal intensity of a preseason game. Veterans play minimal, or not at all in preseason games. The point is that they want their cake but do not want to clean their plate. They stand sportively behind the union when it adds $ to their paycheck but move one game from preseason to regular season and the fans have to read about complaining. This is a whole lot of drama over what accounts to 0-more games per season being played. They took the 4th preseason game where starters play and made it count on the record... This is what the league knows, their game costs are pretty much fixed by stadium. Changing the classification of a game from "pre" to "regular" season increases interest and revenue exponentially. I'm not really debating the 17th game with you. I'm debating the premise of "Shut up. Play football. Be glad you have a job. If you don't like it, then quit." with no other options attitude when some have dissent to a proposal. Just because that's what you would do in that situation doesn't mean that others don't have a right to go in a different direction. SFIAH Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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04-01-2021, 12:10 PM	#34
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,727	Re: Saints players complain about 17 game schedule The players are slaves to the CBA. Good job standing up for players rights Smith. The CBA only addresses players money concerns. Not the working conditions and Godhell still has the ultimate power.

04-01-2021, 12:43 PM	#35
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Saints players complain about 17 game schedule Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The players are slaves to the CBA. Good job standing up for players rights Smith. The CBA only addresses players money concerns. Not the working conditions and Godhell still has the ultimate power. But the working conditions have been changed to assist player health as part of the CBA just like other jobs. Like PPE in labs or construction sites, the NFL regulates that along with concussion protocols and changes to rules that penalize hits on defenseless players and protect the QBs.

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