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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, as Saints fans (GEAUX), I am always rooting for our players on the field. For example, I pull for, and believe that a guy like Peat can improve and be worthy of the contract ...

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Old 03-28-2021, 08:10 PM   #11
 
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Re: Honest Question about Peat.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
So, as Saints fans (GEAUX), I am always rooting for our players on the field. For example, I pull for, and believe that a guy like Peat can improve and be worthy of the contract he has (young folk don’t remember what faith us old timers had to have back in the 70’s). So, that being said, what facet of his game does he need to improve on most?

Run blocking or Pass blocking?
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His balance. The guy ends up on his butt sooo much.
His balance and heart went out the window, I am afraid, since I witnessed him not even make the conditioning drill at Yulman Stadium a couple of years back. It was utterly embarrassing how he was trotting, if you can call it that, as he was getting lapped by his teammates. I am afraid he may have succumbed to the magical temptation of too many Popeyes fired chicken sammiches. It is still a mystery how he wrangled a new contract from SP. Maybe it's because there weren't quality alternatives in FA. Maybe because he can play multiple spots. Brees' quick release made him look better, not that Brees never got pressure up the middle. We're fixing to find out whether Jameis or Taysom can get out from the pressure that's sure to come from Peat's missed assignments.
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:01 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI View Post
According to Pro Football Reference he was only called for 2 holding penalties and 2 false starts last season.

You have to understand... fans are biased against Peat because he replaced Carl Nicks. Peat is nowhere as good as Nicks.

I think peat was drafted as a tackle, well tackle failed and he still pouting like a 2 year old if u ask me


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Old 03-29-2021, 05:28 AM   #13
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Re: Honest Question about Peat.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
So, as Saints fans (GEAUX), I am always rooting for our players on the field. For example, I pull for, and believe that a guy like Peat can improve and be worthy of the contract he has (young folk don’t remember what faith us old timers had to have back in the 70’s). So, that being said, what facet of his game does he need to improve on most?

Run blocking or Pass blocking?
Your optimism is admirable and there is no 'but' about it.

You are asking a question that for a lineman, especially pass blocking is not just about improvement. Peat's battle will be with his physics and his health.

When Peat was good, he was good.

This is what my limited time playing line (7 years both side of the ball, T and G) tells me about Peat.
- He is stronger on run plays, in particular screen and trap blocking.Losing 15 pounds last off season helped his speed.
- Pass blocking for him has become a liability and for a team that is either heavy pass or balanced that means you have a liability on the line for at least 50% of your plays. Losing 15 pounds last off season really hurt him here, this is where the physics plays in. What happened is that losing weight made him more 'moveable' and he knows this so he leans in to offset the mass reduction which puts him off balance and easier to swim by. This is why he looks like he misses blocks or is laying on the ground a good bit.

Peat has an odd injury history for a lineman as he doesn't seem to have joint issues, but rather bone breakage issues and muscle tears. Broken fingers are common for linemen but forearms on an offensive lineman are definitely not, pair that with broken leg, torn pectoral and it looks like his body can handle the impact, just not the stress. I suspect the weight loss was to minimize the risk of future broken legs and high ankle sprains.

Peat has not played in more than 13 games since 2017 reinforcing that he has more physical limitations than skill limitations.

I know that there are some fans that always want to see their preferred players on the field but outside of that I believe that fans generally want a player to not only meet his contract value but exceed it because that is where the value is.

Peat has played Guard in the NFL for 6 years and made the Pro bowl for three of them so I don't see how what he played in college matters. Lineman in the NFL can be fairly universal fit with the exception of C and DE.

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Your optimism is admirable and there is no 'but' about it.

You are asking a question that for a lineman, especially pass blocking is not just about improvement. Peat's battle will be with his physics and his health.

When Peat was good, he was good.

This is what my limited time playing line (7 years both side of the ball, T and G) tells me about Peat.
- He is stronger on run plays, in particular screen and trap blocking.Losing 15 pounds last off season helped his speed.
- Pass blocking for him has become a liability and for a team that is either heavy pass or balanced that means you have a liability on the line for at least 50% of your plays. Losing 15 pounds last off season really hurt him here, this is where the physics plays in. What happened is that losing weight made him more 'moveable' and he knows this so he leans in to offset the mass reduction which puts him off balance and easier to swim by. This is why he looks like he misses blocks or is laying on the ground a good bit.

Peat has an odd injury history for a lineman as he doesn't seem to have joint issues, but rather bone breakage issues and muscle tears. Broken fingers are common for linemen but forearms on an offensive lineman are definitely not, pair that with broken leg, torn pectoral and it looks like his body can handle the impact, just not the stress. I suspect the weight loss was to minimize the risk of future broken legs and high ankle sprains.

Peat has not played in more than 13 games since 2017 reinforcing that he has more physical limitations than skill limitations.

I know that there are some fans that always want to see their preferred players on the field but outside of that I believe that fans generally want a player to not only meet his contract value but exceed it because that is where the value is.

Peat has played Guard in the NFL for 6 years and made the Pro bowl for three of them so I don't see how what he played in college matters. Lineman in the NFL can be fairly universal fit with the exception of C and DE.

Thanks for your thoughts Oak.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:27 AM   #15
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The first problem for many PAC10 players is that they get a later start into their pro-careers than other players; yes, we've remarkable times of late that've made that mute...

But at the time Peat came in, he was suppose to be our LT for ten years; as Armstead had a jump on him...

Believe his personality type (yes, I'm saying that) is that he's lost his confidence because things haven't happened as he was probably told by Sean...

This is not a new phenomena as they're other players who've been promised, or at least led to believe, certain plans by Sean Payton and turned out false...

Get the market options were crap, but he shouldn't have been re-signed to that kind of money, we'd been better had we let him rejuvenate his career elsewhere...

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The first problem for many PAC10 players is that they get a later start into their pro-careers than other players; yes, we've remarkable times of late that've made that mute...

But at the time Peat came in, he was suppose to be our LT for ten years; as Armstead had a jump on him...

Believe his personality type (yes, I'm saying that) is that he's lost his confidence because things haven't happened as he was probably told by Sean...

This is not a new phenomena as they're other players who've been promised, or at least led to believe, certain plans by Sean Payton and turned out false...

Get the market options were crap, but he shouldn't have been re-signed to that kind of money, we'd been better had we let him rejuvenate his career elsewhere...
Well, as a Stanford grad, he has the smarts to play LT, if that's he was drafted to be. The fact that he's failed to start full time at LT either speaks volumes for his lack of talent or maybe points to Armstead working out as a better talent, coming out or a smallish Arky university no less. The problem we continue to have, although a little less so recently, is Armstead's fragility in terms of staying healthy. It's time to unearth new 3rd round gems to replace both Armstead and Peat. Jeff Ireland, are you hearing us?
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His balance and heart went out the window, I am afraid, since I witnessed him not even make the conditioning drill at Yulman Stadium a couple of years back. It was utterly embarrassing how he was trotting, if you can call it that, as he was getting lapped by his teammates. I am afraid he may have succumbed to the magical temptation of too many Popeyes fired chicken sammiches. It is still a mystery how he wrangled a new contract from SP. Maybe it's because there weren't quality alternatives in FA. Maybe because he can play multiple spots. Brees' quick release made him look better, not that Brees never got pressure up the middle. We're fixing to find out whether Jameis or Taysom can get out from the pressure that's sure to come from Peat's missed assignments.
Peat was coming off a broken fibula and a high ankle sprain that placed him on injured reserve on January 10, 2018. Would you expect him to be in top physical condition by that August? It had nothing to do with Popeyes, but everything to do with the inability to train properly in the offseason. The broken arm he suffered in 2019 set him back again. The first offseason he had the chance to train properly was in 2020 and he came into camp the fittest of his career having dropped 15 pounds and much more defined.
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Peat was coming off a broken fibula and a high ankle sprain that placed him on injured reserve on January 10, 2018. Would you expect him to be in top physical condition by that August? It had nothing to do with Popeyes, but everything to do with the inability to train properly in the offseason. The broken arm he suffered in 2019 set him back again. The first offseason he had the chance to train properly was in 2020 and he came into camp the fittest of his career having dropped 15 pounds and much more defined.
Guido, The first time that I saw him I was shocked. He looked just like the Pillsbury dough boy. He's just built soft...not built solid. He has never looked the part of a top NFL O-lineman which is supposed to be muscular.

Oh, he stinks at pass protection because he is always on the ground unless he's moving to throw a block. His only good trait is that he is a good pulling guard and blocks fairly well in space. His problem is that for a guard he doesn't win a fist fight in the phone booth.(limited space)
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Peat was coming off a broken fibula and a high ankle sprain that placed him on injured reserve on January 10, 2018. Would you expect him to be in top physical condition by that August? It had nothing to do with Popeyes, but everything to do with the inability to train properly in the offseason. The broken arm he suffered in 2019 set him back again. The first offseason he had the chance to train properly was in 2020 and he came into camp the fittest of his career having dropped 15 pounds and much more defined.
Yes. He's a professional athlete...
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome View Post
Starting off the top, I will not address injuries, no one can control those. Otherwise IMO there are five or six people on every message board that target their ire on specific players for lack of new rings. Just like we have our favorites we also have our unfavors (isn't a word, don't care will use it anyways, call it a sniglet for those old enough to remember that meaning) the most popular recent unfavors are Peat and Anzalone. Usually these posters ignore the body of their work and instead call them "garbage", "useless", and other unflattering/demeaning descriptions for not making every play, or having a bad game against world class opponents. "why couldn't O-lineman stop Suh /Barrett?! Garbage player!" "why couldn't our LB shut down the best TE's in the game when almost no one in the game can?" If Peat was a turnstile how did we have the last four seasons? Hyperbole IMO.
Shanlie and Strief come to mind.
As far as Peat goes showing up in shape would be a good start. It would help his balance, ability to keep pass rushers off balance, and could possibly help him stay healthy.
All in all Peat gets a bad wrap. His worse games come when players like Armstead go down. His fat contract just adds fuel to the hate
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