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AsylumGuido 04-30-2021 10:25 AM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by Sainters7 (Post 919456)
Yep. And I also hate how it's basically Payton/Loomis admitting they blew it on the Davenport pick. The whole thing's just frustrating, and disappointing when there's obvious massive holes at CB2 & OLB. I'm sure they'll still address those holes on Day 2/3, but it's not going to be a first round blue chip talent we wanted to see there.

The upside at least, is it still addressed D and at a coveted position. And unlike Davenport, at least Turner has drive and works hard. I'm not going to try to convince myself I like this pick because that'll just annoy me...but I'll at least leave it as a wait & see, he could work out well and be a solid player for us.
What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

ChrisXVI 04-30-2021 10:28 AM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 919459)
What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.
To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2021 10:32 AM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 919460)
To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy.
The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson.

The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right?

ChrisXVI 04-30-2021 10:43 AM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 919462)
The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson.

The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right?
Our DE’s don’t really play a rotation. Our DT’s sub in and out based on down and distance. Cam Jordan plays damn near every snap and the other DE spot has just been filled by role players because we haven’t found the right guy. I’m thinking Turner is the answer.

Boston Saint 04-30-2021 11:23 AM
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You have Jordan. You signed Davenport’s 5th year option. You sign Kpassagnon, a 6’ 7” physical freak as a free agent. Then draft another DE project in the first round when he was from a non power conference and not rated as a first round pick. Spin that all you want, Putting it kindly it’s a questionable pick.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2021 11:27 AM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 919463)
Our DE’s don’t really play a rotation. Our DT’s sub in and out based on down and distance. Cam Jordan plays damn near every snap and the other DE spot has just been filled by role players because we haven’t found the right guy. I’m thinking Turner is the answer.
Here's their snap counts for 2020:

Cameron JordanDE00%81678.01% 
Trey HendricksonDE00%55853.35% 
Marcus DavenportDE00%37435.76% 
Carl GrandersonDE00%29127.82% 

Looks like a rotation to me.

And Payton even references the rotation in his interview:

Last year, when you drafted (Cesar) Ruiz you said, we did not draft him to sit. Is that something you could say about (Payton) Turner, like a guy you could see contribute?

"He'll play and earn those reps his first year. I think we've always done a really good job at developing a rotation and working with typically a good gameday number of eight (defensive linemen) usually. So we'll have a clear vision for his role."

At the same time you guys also picked up the option on Marcus Davenport, obviously there's room for three defensive ends to play in that rotation. Do you feel like he has a lot of room still to grow?

"Look, there will be more than three defensive ends. These guys, if they have the traits that we feel like they have, we have more depth and we feel like it's like, look it's a passing game. And we feel like it's an important position."

AsylumGuido 04-30-2021 11:31 AM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 919469)
You have Jordan. You signed Davenport’s 5th year option. You sign Kpassagnon, a 6’ 7” physical freak as a free agent. Then draft another DE project in the first round when he was from a non power conference and not rated as a first round pick. Spin that all you want, Putting it kindly it’s a questionable pick.
It wasn't a question in their minds and theirs are the only ones that carry any weight.

I understand that you don't understand. You are basing your opinion on what you read from others that don't make real decisions.

:D

The Dude 04-30-2021 12:02 PM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 919455)
The smell of roses is not what I detect from your posts Guido. It’s the manure they grow in.
Guido doesn’t like it when people form opinions. He likes to blindly follow the facts. At least the ones he can cherry pick to make the Saints seem perfect in his mind.

iceshack149 04-30-2021 12:11 PM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 919469)
You have Jordan. You signed Davenport’s 5th year option. You sign Kpassagnon, a 6’ 7” physical freak as a free agent. Then draft another DE project in the first round when he was from a non power conference and not rated as a first round pick. Spin that all you want, Putting it kindly it’s a questionable pick.

In my opinion you just gave a great reason for the pick. In a division with slow QB'S the Saints have huge, athletic monsters on the D-line. That's the recipe for winning and the Giants proved that when they kept the Patriots from having an undefeated season.

iceshack149 04-30-2021 12:14 PM
Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 919459)
What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.


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