Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft

jeanpierre · 05-11-2021, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

All the All Pros were from the first two rounds except for Danielle Hunter, Blair Walsh and Everson Griffen.

You can do the best player pulling. That's subjective.

Vikings Draft History

Saints, AG, we're talking Saints...

And the best player is subjective, but there can be consensus, plus there is the objective W.A.R....

jeanpierre · 05-13-2021, 12:04 AM

Now add up the New Orleans Saints All Pro Honors by round...

jeanpierre · 05-14-2021, 01:55 AM

Alright, let's try this...

Who would you say has been the best pick by draft class in production for the Saints?

2006 Draft

RB Reggie Bush, R1
SS Roman Harper, R2 (Via Trade Back, Gained C Jeff Faine)
RG Jahri Evans, R4 (Via Trade Back, Gained NT Hollis Thomas)
DE Rob Ninkovich, R5
RT Zach Strief, R7
WR Marques Colston, R7 (*Compensatory)

2007 Draft Class

LT Jermon Bushrod, R4 (Via Trade of WR Donte Stallworth; If PHI re-signed DS, it'd been a R2 pick)

2008 Draft Class

DT Sedrick Ellis, R1 (Via Trade)
CB Tracy Porter, R2
LG Carl Nicks, R5 (Via Trade)

2009 Draft Class

CB Malcolm Jenkins, R1
P Thomas Morstead, R5 (Via Trade)

2010 Draft Class

CB Patrick Robinson, R1
TE Jimmy Graham, R3

2011 Draft Class

DE Cameron Jordan, R1
RB Mark Ingram Jr, R1 (Via Trade)

2012 Draft Class

DT Akiem Hicks, R3

2013 Draft Class

SS Kenny Vaccaro, R1
LT Terron Armstead, R3
WR Kenny Stills, R5

2014 Draft Class

WR Brandin Cooks, R1 (Via Trade)

2015 Draft Class

LT Andrus Peat, R1
CB P. J. Williams, R3 (Via Trade of Kenny Stills, Also Gained LB Dannell Ellerbe)
NT Tyeler Davison, R5 (Via Trade of Ben Grubbs)

2016 Draft Class

DT Sheldon Rankins, R1
WR Michael Thomas, R2
SS Vonn Bell, R2 (Via Trade)
DT David Onyemata, R4 (Via Trade with WAS)

2017 Draft Class

CB Marshon Lattimore, R1
LT Ryan Ramcyzk, R1 (Via Trade of Jimmy Graham)
FS Marcus Williams, R2
RB Alvin Kamara, R3 (Via Trade)
LB Alex Anzalone, R3
DE Trey Hendrickson, R3 (*Compensatory)
DE Al-Quadin Muhammad, R6

2018 Draft Class

DE Marcus Davenport, R1 (Via Trade)
WR Tre'Quan Smith, R3
RB Boston Scott, R6
OL Will Clapp, R7

2019 Draft Class

C Erik McCoy, R2 (Via Trade)
SS C. J. Gardner, R4 (Via Trade)
LB Kaden Elliss, R7

2020 Draft Class

C Cesar Ruiz, R1
LB Zack Baun, R3 (Via Trade)
TE Adam Trautman, R3 (*Compensatory Via Trade)
QB Tommy Stevens, R7 (Via Trade)

Some of our best players in the Payton/Loomis have been acquired throughout the draft and hardly exclusive to Rounds 1 and 2...

Look at 2016, the better DT was taken in R4 and the SS we took in R2, that move up ultimately cost an add'l three picks, isn't even with the team...

jeanpierre · 05-14-2021, 02:13 AM

Now, want to point something out about trading back into the draft...

In cases like Kamara, we traded a future No 2 to gain an add'l pick to take him in R3...

Full disclosure, was skeptical about the pick that early as still not convinced other teams were going to snag him...

However, it was one pick - one player, and we got him a season early, so that's one of the reasons I don't criticize those moves as much...

But when you put multiple picks into one player, e.g. Davenport two firsts and a fifth, you are eliminating two potential prospects from your pool...

Judging by how much more successful the Saints are in later rounds vs league, the history is encouraging and should reinforce trust in later round values...

And I'd say our best rounds, or rather our difference-making rounds, have been in rounds 3 & 4...

One other comment, besides the obvious gold we've found in Round 7, the reason why those R7 can be valuable is to secure rights from the UDFA pool...

As the roster improved, especially with Ireland on board, we weren't as successful recruiting UDFAs despite our elite success in that player pool...

With the R7 pick, you can make sure you get that one player you still want there; i.e., Sean traded back in when Tommy Stevens was gonna side with Carolina...

Now, Sean got caught trying to sneak Stevens onto the Practice Squad and lost him, but it showed one of the ways the R7 pick can be as valuable...

AsylumGuido · 05-14-2021, 12:12 PM

Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

K Major · 05-14-2021, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley

.

Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift.

jeanpierre · 05-14-2021, 10:44 PM

When you take in the total history and accumulation of data, as demonstrated, it's clearly evident the Saints do better with more picks...

...irregardless of the round...

jeanpierre · 05-14-2021, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley .

Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift.

Indeed fortunate to flip a former first round pick we'd slightly reached (Brandin Cooks) to get an elite offensive tackle (Ryan Ramczyk)...

Incidentally, football gods may have been bringing balance as the R3 pick we traded to New England was used by the Patriots to take John Thuney...

And one that our late friend, Hagan, had called...

ChrisXVI · 05-15-2021, 04:53 PM

We’ll need all the draft picks we can get to trade for Russell Wilson next year.

05-11-2021, 10:23 AM	#31
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido All the All Pros were from the first two rounds except for Danielle Hunter, Blair Walsh and Everson Griffen. You can do the best player pulling. That's subjective. Vikings Draft History Saints, AG, we're talking Saints... And the best player is subjective, but there can be consensus, plus there is the objective W.A.R....

05-13-2021, 12:04 AM	#32
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft *Now add up the New Orleans Saints* All Pro Honors by round...**

05-14-2021, 01:55 AM	#33
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Alright, let's try this... Who would you say has been the best pick by draft class in production for the Saints? 2006 Draft RB Reggie Bush, R1 SS Roman Harper, R2 (Via Trade Back, Gained C Jeff Faine) RG Jahri Evans, R4 (Via Trade Back, Gained NT Hollis Thomas) DE Rob Ninkovich, R5 RT Zach Strief, R7 *WR Marques Colston, R7 (Compensatory) 2007 Draft Class LT Jermon Bushrod, R4 (Via Trade of WR Donte Stallworth; If PHI re-signed DS, it'd been a R2 pick) 2008 Draft Class DT Sedrick Ellis, R1 (Via Trade) CB Tracy Porter, R2 LG Carl Nicks, R5 (Via Trade) 2009 Draft Class CB Malcolm Jenkins, R1 P Thomas Morstead, R5 (Via Trade) 2010 Draft Class CB Patrick Robinson, R1 TE Jimmy Graham, R3 2011 Draft Class DE Cameron Jordan, R1 RB Mark Ingram Jr, R1 (Via Trade) 2012 Draft Class DT Akiem Hicks, R3 2013 Draft Class SS Kenny Vaccaro, R1 LT Terron Armstead, R3 WR Kenny Stills, R5 2014 Draft Class WR Brandin Cooks, R1 (Via Trade) 2015 Draft Class LT Andrus Peat, R1 CB P. J. Williams, R3 (Via Trade of Kenny Stills, Also Gained LB Dannell Ellerbe) NT Tyeler Davison, R5 (Via Trade of Ben Grubbs) 2016 Draft Class DT Sheldon Rankins, R1 WR Michael Thomas, R2 SS Vonn Bell, R2 (Via Trade) DT David Onyemata, R4 (Via Trade with WAS) 2017 Draft Class CB Marshon Lattimore, R1 LT Ryan Ramcyzk, R1 (Via Trade of Jimmy Graham) FS Marcus Williams, R2 RB Alvin Kamara, R3 (Via Trade) LB Alex Anzalone, R3 DE Trey Hendrickson, R3 (Compensatory)* DE Al-Quadin Muhammad, R6 2018 Draft Class DE Marcus Davenport, R1 (Via Trade) WR Tre'Quan Smith, R3 RB Boston Scott, R6 OL Will Clapp, R7 2019 Draft Class C Erik McCoy, R2 (Via Trade) SS C. J. Gardner, R4 (Via Trade) LB Kaden Elliss, R7 2020 Draft Class C Cesar Ruiz, R1 LB Zack Baun, R3 (Via Trade) *TE Adam Trautman, R3 (Compensatory Via Trade) QB Tommy Stevens, R7 (Via Trade)** Some of our best players in the Payton/Loomis have been acquired throughout the draft and hardly exclusive to Rounds 1 and 2... Look at 2016, the better DT was taken in R4 and the SS we took in R2, that move up ultimately cost an add'l three picks, isn't even with the team...
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05-14-2021, 02:13 AM	#34
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Now, want to point something out about trading back into the draft... In cases like Kamara, we traded a future No 2 to gain an add'l pick to take him in R3... Full disclosure, was skeptical about the pick that early as still not convinced other teams were going to snag him... However, it was one pick - one player, and we got him a season early, so that's one of the reasons I don't criticize those moves as much... But when you put multiple picks into one player, e.g. Davenport two firsts and a fifth, you are eliminating two potential prospects from your pool... Judging by how much more successful the Saints are in later rounds vs league, the history is encouraging and should reinforce trust in later round values... And I'd say our best rounds, or rather our difference-making rounds, have been in rounds 3 & 4... One other comment, besides the obvious gold we've found in Round 7, the reason why those R7 can be valuable is to secure rights from the UDFA pool... As the roster improved, especially with Ireland on board, we weren't as successful recruiting UDFAs despite our elite success in that player pool... With the R7 pick, you can make sure you get that one player you still want there; i.e., Sean traded back in when Tommy Stevens was gonna side with Carolina... Now, Sean got caught trying to sneak Stevens onto the Practice Squad and lost him, but it showed one of the ways the R7 pick can be as valuable... SmashMouth likes this.
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05-14-2021, 12:12 PM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

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05-14-2021, 12:27 PM	#36
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later. It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley . Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift. jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

05-14-2021, 10:44 PM	#37
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft When you take in the total history and accumulation of data, as demonstrated, it's clearly evident the Saints do better with more picks... ...irregardless of the round...

05-14-2021, 10:47 PM	#38
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Originally Posted by K Major It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley . Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift. Indeed fortunate to flip a former first round pick we'd slightly reached (Brandin Cooks) to get an elite offensive tackle (Ryan Ramczyk)... Incidentally, football gods may have been bringing balance as the R3 pick we traded to New England was used by the Patriots to take John Thuney... And one that our late friend, Hagan, had called... K Major likes this.

05-15-2021, 04:53 PM	#39
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft We’ll need all the draft picks we can get to trade for Russell Wilson next year.