Saints Are Offering Refunds

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-20-2021, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

SFIAH

Flipx99 · 08-20-2021, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.

See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.

Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

SFIAH

Yes, you have misinterpreted my post, which needs to be read in context.

I'm not suggesting that vaccinations should replace testing or vice versa.

What I am stating is my opinion: that there are people who have sound reasons for not receiving these particular vaccines. I am glad that the franchise agreed to refund their money, and I would like for the team to go a step further and place them at the front of the line for next year's season tickets. It would be an act of good will and a recognition that just because the franchises interest and the fan's interest do not align on this issue that the fan should somehow be punished.

I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.

halloween 65 · 08-20-2021, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.

See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.

Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

SFIAH

There is no way an infected average single person or family can be without food and water for the supposed quarantine period they are wanting. They have no choice but to get out ( grocery store/ pharmacy) to survive. How many people got the flu last year(Killed just as many if not more people over God knows how many years without a cure) did any of you hear about?Seemed like the flu disappeared and covid took over. Sickest I ever got was after getting a flu shot. Also a normal person don't really want anything shoved up there nose that deep to where it hits their brain so to speak and to have it done on multiple occasions don't seem to appealing. The mask are a total joke unless they are N-95 or better and breathing in them all the time restrict airflow to the lungs( not a normal function) and as far as kids still developing their lung function in the long run will cause breathing problems. I've had the crap( no smell, no taste for 4 days with no other symtoms) it affects a lot of people different. The way the CDC, government, private buisnesses are going about this so called pandimic the wrong way, it should be let to run it's course if they really want HERD immunity.

neugey · 08-19-2021, 04:42 PM

So they had a change of heart and decided they would consider refunds for season ticket holders? If so that is good because it was totally wrong to refuse to refund customers over newly instated policies (whether you agree with the policy or not) no one could have possibly foreseen or prepared for.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

So they had a change of heart and decided they would consider refunds for season ticket holders? If so that is good because it was totally wrong to refuse to refund customers over newly instated policies (whether you agree with the policy or not) no one could have possibly foreseen or prepared for.

The reason was that so few actually wanted refunds it would make the task fairly easy, especially since so many were waiting in the wings to take those tickets. What the refund requesters didn't bargain for was losing their rights, as well. We got ours yesterday and will never let them go. Both of my sons made that very clear. LOL!

neugey · 08-19-2021, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The reason was that so few actually wanted refunds it would make the task fairly easy, especially since so many were waiting in the wings to take those tickets. What the refund requesters didn't bargain for was losing their rights, as well. We got ours yesterday and will never let them go. Both of my sons made that very clear. LOL!

Glad it worked out for you. To be honest, the Saints should accept refunds for almost any reason presuming it's before the season starts, when the waiting list is miles long and the Saints will get the same money back (if not more) in a pinch anyway!

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Glad it worked out for you. To be honest, the Saints should accept refunds for almost any reason presuming it's before the season starts, when the waiting list is miles long and the Saints will get the same money back (if not more) in a pinch anyway!

I agree, as long as you are willing to forfeit your rights to continuing season ticket holdings.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 07:49 PM

There you go! I had a feeling they'd not cave. You don't give up something like Saints tickets.

SmashMouth · 08-19-2021, 06:23 PM

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Rugby Saint II · 08-20-2021, 04:09 PM

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08-20-2021, 11:52 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests? Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone. And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children? See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be. Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them). Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them. I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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08-20-2021, 03:31 PM	#2
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone. See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be. Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them. I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious. SFIAH Yes, you have misinterpreted my post, which needs to be read in context. I'm not suggesting that vaccinations should replace testing or vice versa. What I am stating is my opinion: that there are people who have sound reasons for not receiving these particular vaccines. I am glad that the franchise agreed to refund their money, and I would like for the team to go a step further and place them at the front of the line for next year's season tickets. It would be an act of good will and a recognition that just because the franchises interest and the fan's interest do not align on this issue that the fan should somehow be punished. I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.
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08-20-2021, 03:51 PM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone. See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be. Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them. I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious. SFIAH There is no way an infected average single person or family can be without food and water for the supposed quarantine period they are wanting. They have no choice but to get out ( grocery store/ pharmacy) to survive. How many people got the flu last year(Killed just as many if not more people over God knows how many years without a cure) did any of you hear about?Seemed like the flu disappeared and covid took over. Sickest I ever got was after getting a flu shot. Also a normal person don't really want anything shoved up there nose that deep to where it hits their brain so to speak and to have it done on multiple occasions don't seem to appealing. The mask are a total joke unless they are N-95 or better and breathing in them all the time restrict airflow to the lungs( not a normal function) and as far as kids still developing their lung function in the long run will cause breathing problems. I've had the crap( no smell, no taste for 4 days with no other symtoms) it affects a lot of people different. The way the CDC, government, private buisnesses are going about this so called pandimic the wrong way, it should be let to run it's course if they really want HERD immunity. skymike likes this.

08-19-2021, 04:42 PM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds So they had a change of heart and decided they would consider refunds for season ticket holders? If so that is good because it was totally wrong to refuse to refund customers over newly instated policies (whether you agree with the policy or not) no one could have possibly foreseen or prepared for. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.

08-19-2021, 04:45 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by neugey So they had a change of heart and decided they would consider refunds for season ticket holders? If so that is good because it was totally wrong to refuse to refund customers over newly instated policies (whether you agree with the policy or not) no one could have possibly foreseen or prepared for. The reason was that so few actually wanted refunds it would make the task fairly easy, especially since so many were waiting in the wings to take those tickets. What the refund requesters didn't bargain for was losing their rights, as well. We got ours yesterday and will never let them go. Both of my sons made that very clear. LOL!

08-19-2021, 04:58 PM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The reason was that so few actually wanted refunds it would make the task fairly easy, especially since so many were waiting in the wings to take those tickets. What the refund requesters didn't bargain for was losing their rights, as well. We got ours yesterday and will never let them go. Both of my sons made that very clear. LOL! Glad it worked out for you. To be honest, the Saints should accept refunds for almost any reason presuming it's before the season starts, when the waiting list is miles long and the Saints will get the same money back (if not more) in a pinch anyway! jnormand likes this.

08-19-2021, 06:33 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by neugey Glad it worked out for you. To be honest, the Saints should accept refunds for almost any reason presuming it's before the season starts, when the waiting list is miles long and the Saints will get the same money back (if not more) in a pinch anyway! I agree, as long as you are willing to forfeit your rights to continuing season ticket holdings. neugey likes this.

08-19-2021, 07:49 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds There you go! I had a feeling they'd not cave. You don't give up something like Saints tickets. Twitter

08-19-2021, 06:23 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Twitter skymike likes this.

08-20-2021, 04:09 PM	#10
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