Glad it worked out for you. To be honest, the Saints should accept refunds for almost any reason presuming it's before the season starts, when the waiting list is miles long and the Saints will get the same money back (if not more) in a pinch anyway!

They didn't have to be vaccinated. All they had to do was have a negative test result. That is their decision. Test or give up tickets and move to the bottom of the list. It took us 15 years to go from the bottom to the point of finally getting tickets yesterday. I have no pity for them.

Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron.

Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason.

No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you.

Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint.

For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans.

If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.

Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.

See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.


Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

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Yes, you have misinterpreted my post, which needs to be read in context.

I'm not suggesting that vaccinations should replace testing or vice versa.

What I am stating is my opinion: that there are people who have sound reasons for not receiving these particular vaccines. I am glad that the franchise agreed to refund their money, and I would like for the team to go a step further and place them at the front of the line for next year's season tickets. It would be an act of good will and a recognition that just because the franchises interest and the fan's interest do not align on this issue that the fan should somehow be punished.


I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.