Saints Are Offering Refunds

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

Glad to see them do this.

Would like to see them place anyone who gave up their tickets at the top of the waiting list for next season.

There are valid why someone would choose not to be vaccinated.

They didn't have to be vaccinated. All they had to do was have a negative test result. That is their decision. Test or give up tickets and move to the bottom of the list. It took us 15 years to go from the bottom to the point of finally getting tickets yesterday. I have no pity for them.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 04:18 PM

I'd really be curious as to how many people that said they wanted refunds will actually follow through learning that they would lose their account completely.

Boston Saint · 08-19-2021, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'd really be curious as to how many people that said they wanted refunds will actually follow through learning that they would lose their account completely.

At least 2 I’d say.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

At least 2 I’d say.

You know someone personally? Cool. The more that opt out the more options we have to upgrade next season.

Flipx99 · 08-20-2021, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They didn't have to be vaccinated. All they had to do was have a negative test result. That is their decision. Test or give up tickets and move to the bottom of the list. It took us 15 years to go from the bottom to the point of finally getting tickets yesterday. I have no pity for them.

Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2021, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron.

Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason.

Flipx99 · 08-20-2021, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron.

Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason.

No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you.

Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint.

For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans.

If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2021, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you.

Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint.

For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans.

If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.

I am absolutely viewing this from the viewpoint of the fans. I am both one of those fans AND a season ticket holder and I am thrilled that the proof of vaccination or a negative test is required. Out of 70,000 fans only 13 called in to get a refund on their tickets. That means most all of the rest really don't have a huge problem with it.

As for someone that has had COVID that didn't want to get the vaccine, that's fine, but they should be willing to present a negative test result, right? If not there is a problem. If not they shouldn't be allowed in.

As for vaccines providing a greater protection than the antibodies from a previous case of COVID, the data set is huge with over 175 million Americans fully vaccinated. It is quite easy to compare the breakthrough cases of vaccinated individuals with the reinfections of persons that had previously had COVID. Do a quick search.

Here's one from John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published in May 28, 2021.

Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection

There's plenty more. It is an accepted fact. At least accepted by those without that haven't been brainwashed by a radical right.

And this is coming from a lifetime Republican that voted for Trump twice. The same Trump that urged his own constituency to get the vaccine. For me this has absolutely nothing to do with politics, but everything to do with medical knowledge and science.

Flipx99 · 08-20-2021, 12:41 PM

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-20-2021, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Flipx99

Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

SFIAH

08-19-2021, 03:28 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 Glad to see them do this. Would like to see them place anyone who gave up their tickets at the top of the waiting list for next season. There are valid why someone would choose not to be vaccinated. They didn't have to be vaccinated. All they had to do was have a negative test result. That is their decision. Test or give up tickets and move to the bottom of the list. It took us 15 years to go from the bottom to the point of finally getting tickets yesterday. I have no pity for them.

08-19-2021, 04:18 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds I'd really be curious as to how many people that said they wanted refunds will actually follow through learning that they would lose their account completely.

08-19-2021, 04:30 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'd really be curious as to how many people that said they wanted refunds will actually follow through learning that they would lose their account completely. At least 2 I’d say.

08-19-2021, 04:37 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Boston Saint At least 2 I’d say. You know someone personally? Cool. The more that opt out the more options we have to upgrade next season.

08-20-2021, 11:00 AM	#5
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They didn't have to be vaccinated. All they had to do was have a negative test result. That is their decision. Test or give up tickets and move to the bottom of the list. It took us 15 years to go from the bottom to the point of finally getting tickets yesterday. I have no pity for them. Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests? And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children? Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them). iceshack149, jnormand, jonnyrotten and 1 others like this.
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08-20-2021, 11:40 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests? And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children? Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them). Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron. Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason.

08-20-2021, 12:32 PM	#7
Flipx99 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 153	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron. Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason. No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you. Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint. For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans. If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.
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08-20-2021, 03:22 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you. Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint. For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans. If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection. I am absolutely viewing this from the viewpoint of the fans. I am both one of those fans AND a season ticket holder and I am thrilled that the proof of vaccination or a negative test is required. Out of 70,000 fans only 13 called in to get a refund on their tickets. That means most all of the rest really don't have a huge problem with it. As for someone that has had COVID that didn't want to get the vaccine, that's fine, but they should be willing to present a negative test result, right? If not there is a problem. If not they shouldn't be allowed in. As for vaccines providing a greater protection than the antibodies from a previous case of COVID, the data set is huge with over 175 million Americans fully vaccinated. It is quite easy to compare the breakthrough cases of vaccinated individuals with the reinfections of persons that had previously had COVID. Do a quick search. Here's one from John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published in May 28, 2021. Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection There's plenty more. It is an accepted fact. At least accepted by those without that haven't been brainwashed by a radical right. And this is coming from a lifetime Republican that voted for Trump twice. The same Trump that urged his own constituency to get the vaccine. For me this has absolutely nothing to do with politics, but everything to do with medical knowledge and science.
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08-20-2021, 12:41 PM	#9
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08-20-2021, 11:52 AM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by Flipx99 Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests? Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone. And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children? See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be. Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them). Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them. I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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