Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots

Boston Saint · 09-28-2021, 10:43 AM

On watching people’s and media reaction to the game I’ve noticed a common idea. There is a rush to criticize Winston for his low passing yardage total, yet he is criticized for throwing a pass that resulted in a TD. 🤔

Rugby Saint II · 09-28-2021, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

On watching people’s and media reaction to the game I’ve noticed a common idea. There is a rush to criticize Winston for his low passing yardage total, yet he is criticized for throwing a pass that resulted in a TD. 🤔

Oh the irony!

rezburna · 09-28-2021, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

On watching people’s and media reaction to the game I’ve noticed a common idea. There is a rush to criticize Winston for his low passing yardage total, yet he is criticized for throwing a pass that resulted in a TD. 🤔

The media is against Jameis Winston. Every single thing he does is put under a microscope and hyper scrutinized. They replayed his post game interview where he mentioned what his trainer said and purposely cut it short as if he didn’t repeat what he was told a few seconds later. He has so much pressure on his face. The fact he was willing to try and put this team on his shoulders after somebody like Brees shows me a lot of toughness and character. Our fan base doesn’t make it easier either.

jnormand · 09-28-2021, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

On watching people’s and media reaction to the game I’ve noticed a common idea. There is a rush to criticize Winston for his low passing yardage total, yet he is criticized for throwing a pass that resulted in a TD. 🤔

After week 1, there was some media saying he was gonna be in the talk of MVP. Then that went away after week 2. Lol. I think right now he's gonna get the extremes from both sides by media.

For me, he's just blah so far. He's not making a lot of mistakes. But I haven't seen anything to make me believe he's gonna have a career year here either. Just my opinion bro.

Boston Saint · 09-28-2021, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

After week 1, there was some media saying he was gonna be in the talk of MVP. Then that went away after week 2. Lol. I think right now he's gonna get the extremes from both sides by media.

For me, he's just blah so far. He's not making a lot of mistakes. But I haven't seen anything to make me believe he's gonna have a career year here either. Just my opinion bro.

On point. He’s not lit it up. Hopefully with Thomas eventually back and a developing Stills in the offense things will open up more. Trautman has t been what was hoped for either.

AsylumGuido · 09-28-2021, 01:49 PM

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K Major · 09-28-2021, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...16607936786432

So Maddy said Ramz had "4 plays of 0 effort" but Underhill and Deuce both agreed that RR was very good.

Not sure what player Maddy was focusing on Sunday

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Again, Ryan is the least likely player to be concerned with on the O line.

Thirty3 · 09-28-2021, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

After week 1, there was some media saying he was gonna be in the talk of MVP. Then that went away after week 2. Lol. I think right now he's gonna get the extremes from both sides by media.

For me, he's just blah so far. He's not making a lot of mistakes. But I haven't seen anything to make me believe he's gonna have a career year here either. Just my opinion bro.

Yes the media was building Winston up in the beginning. MVP etc. A year behind Brees, Coach Payton blah blah blah. NOW they have seen him. No change from Tampa. So most of them are jumping off the Winston bandwagon. Payton not giving him a chance to throw too many times is because he knows what that would mean. It is so boring to hear the "anyone who followed Brees would have a lot of criticism" etc. HONEST eyeball evaluation. "He is who he was". In the words of the great american philosopher Forest Gump, "You can't fix stupid." QB play REQUIRES cerebral play. We're not seeing it.

Boston Saint · 09-28-2021, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Yes the media was building Winston up in the beginning. MVP etc. A year behind Brees, Coach Payton blah blah blah. NOW they have seen him. No change from Tampa. So most of them are jumping off the Winston bandwagon. Payton not giving him a chance to throw too many times is because he knows what that would mean. It is so boring to hear the "anyone who followed Brees would have a lot of criticism" etc. HONEST eyeball evaluation. "He is who he was". In the words of the great american philosopher Forest Gump, "You can't fix stupid." QB play REQUIRES cerebral play. We're not seeing it.

Sorry Thirty, I disagree. It’s not same old Tampa Winston. He’s being very cerebral in that he’s smart enough to not be throwing passes he shouldn’t for the most part. He’s thrown passes away and took sacks rather than toss it up. He’s on a 39 TD 11 INT pace. That’s hardly same old Tampa Jameis. And he’s not had a Godwin/Evans type WR combo to throw to. It’s only been three games (with a displaced team who has had COVID issues) but I see more maturity on his part. Time will tell.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-28-2021, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Sorry Thirty, I disagree. It’s not same old Tampa Winston. He’s being very cerebral in that he’s smart enough to be throwing passes he shouldn’t for the
most part. He’s thrown passes away and took sacks rather than toss it up. He’s on a 39 TD 11 INT pace. That’s hardly same old Tampa Jameis. And he’s not had a Godwin/Evans type WR combo to throw to. It’s only been three games (with a displaced team who has had COVID issues) but I see a more maturity on his part. Time will tell.

And to be fair Drew didn't start the year off in 2006 good either, neither did Teddy but once they settled in they rolled. It took them a few games. This is a complex offense. Drew wasn’t Drew till 2009 it took a couple years. Some are looking for a finished product when it’s still in its infancy

09-28-2021, 10:43 AM	#1
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09-28-2021, 10:47 AM	#2
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09-28-2021, 10:53 AM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by Boston Saint On watching people’s and media reaction to the game I’ve noticed a common idea. There is a rush to criticize Winston for his low passing yardage total, yet he is criticized for throwing a pass that resulted in a TD. 🤔 The media is against Jameis Winston. Every single thing he does is put under a microscope and hyper scrutinized. They replayed his post game interview where he mentioned what his trainer said and purposely cut it short as if he didn’t repeat what he was told a few seconds later. He has so much pressure on his face. The fact he was willing to try and put this team on his shoulders after somebody like Brees shows me a lot of toughness and character. Our fan base doesn’t make it easier either. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth, darksoul35 and 2 others like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by Boston Saint On watching people’s and media reaction to the game I’ve noticed a common idea. There is a rush to criticize Winston for his low passing yardage total, yet he is criticized for throwing a pass that resulted in a TD. 🤔 After week 1, there was some media saying he was gonna be in the talk of MVP. Then that went away after week 2. Lol. I think right now he's gonna get the extremes from both sides by media. For me, he's just blah so far. He's not making a lot of mistakes. But I haven't seen anything to make me believe he's gonna have a career year here either. Just my opinion bro. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by jnormand After week 1, there was some media saying he was gonna be in the talk of MVP. Then that went away after week 2. Lol. I think right now he's gonna get the extremes from both sides by media. For me, he's just blah so far. He's not making a lot of mistakes. But I haven't seen anything to make me believe he's gonna have a career year here either. Just my opinion bro. On point. He’s not lit it up. Hopefully with Thomas eventually back and a developing Stills in the offense things will open up more. Trautman has t been what was hoped for either. jnormand likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...16607936786432 So Maddy said Ramz had "4 plays of 0 effort" but Underhill and Deuce both agreed that RR was very good. Not sure what player Maddy was focusing on Sunday . Again, Ryan is the least likely player to be concerned with on the O line.

09-28-2021, 04:25 PM	#8
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by jnormand After week 1, there was some media saying he was gonna be in the talk of MVP. Then that went away after week 2. Lol. I think right now he's gonna get the extremes from both sides by media. For me, he's just blah so far. He's not making a lot of mistakes. But I haven't seen anything to make me believe he's gonna have a career year here either. Just my opinion bro. Yes the media was building Winston up in the beginning. MVP etc. A year behind Brees, Coach Payton blah blah blah. NOW they have seen him. No change from Tampa. So most of them are jumping off the Winston bandwagon. Payton not giving him a chance to throw too many times is because he knows what that would mean. It is so boring to hear the "anyone who followed Brees would have a lot of criticism" etc. HONEST eyeball evaluation. "He is who he was". In the words of the great american philosopher Forest Gump, "You can't fix stupid." QB play REQUIRES cerebral play. We're not seeing it.
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09-28-2021, 04:42 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by Thirty3 Yes the media was building Winston up in the beginning. MVP etc. A year behind Brees, Coach Payton blah blah blah. NOW they have seen him. No change from Tampa. So most of them are jumping off the Winston bandwagon. Payton not giving him a chance to throw too many times is because he knows what that would mean. It is so boring to hear the "anyone who followed Brees would have a lot of criticism" etc. HONEST eyeball evaluation. "He is who he was". In the words of the great american philosopher Forest Gump, "You can't fix stupid." QB play REQUIRES cerebral play. We're not seeing it. Sorry Thirty, I disagree. It’s not same old Tampa Winston. He’s being very cerebral in that he’s smart enough to not be throwing passes he shouldn’t for the most part. He’s thrown passes away and took sacks rather than toss it up. He’s on a 39 TD 11 INT pace. That’s hardly same old Tampa Jameis. And he’s not had a Godwin/Evans type WR combo to throw to. It’s only been three games (with a displaced team who has had COVID issues) but I see more maturity on his part. Time will tell. leilung, AsylumGuido, K Major and 2 others like this.
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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by Boston Saint Sorry Thirty, I disagree. It’s not same old Tampa Winston. He’s being very cerebral in that he’s smart enough to be throwing passes he shouldn’t for the most part. He’s thrown passes away and took sacks rather than toss it up. He’s on a 39 TD 11 INT pace. That’s hardly same old Tampa Jameis. And he’s not had a Godwin/Evans type WR combo to throw to. It’s only been three games (with a displaced team who has had COVID issues) but I see a more maturity on his part. Time will tell. And to be fair Drew didn't start the year off in 2006 good either, neither did Teddy but once they settled in they rolled. It took them a few games. This is a complex offense. Drew wasn’t Drew till 2009 it took a couple years. Some are looking for a finished product when it’s still in its infancy AsylumGuido, SmashMouth, K Major and 2 others like this.