Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants

Boston Saint · 10-03-2021, 06:16 PM

Still makes no sense that they pass on a 46 yard FG attempt yet try to make a 58 yarder. Payton called this game as poorly as can be called.

FinSaint · 10-03-2021, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The real killer was the hold by Trautman. Took away a Stills TD off the board.

And maybe putting your TE to block the best defensive player without any help wasn't such a great plan either on that play.

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neugey · 10-03-2021, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I feel like our D-Line’s dominance owes a lot to our LB’s lining up in the A gap. Teams are essentially running on a six man front.

When we have to rush four we have a very raw rookie DE, undrafted-caliber DT’s and Cam Jordan who offers very little in the pass rush department these days.

It's mystifying. In the GB game we rushed four, sometimes even 3, and we were in Rodgers face all game regardless. Now this week we had home field advantage and the added advantage of crowd noise, yet had 0 sacks and very little hurries and allowed Jones to go for 400 yards on 40 attempts. I think the defense ate the cheese and thought the Giants would crumble because of the environment. The much derided Garrett also basically outcoached Payton. Gotta be careful who you make light of in this league.

Rsanders24 · 10-03-2021, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

LET JAMEIS SLING IT. We’re a .500 team playing cautious offense and we won’t be making a run at it anyway so let Jameis be a gunslinger.

Have to have some type of WR that at least causes concern for the opposing defense.

Payton has to stop with this predictable play calling and trying to be cute. That Taysom power on 3rd and short was a terrible play call and so was the pass play for Taysom right after Winton was really getting into a rhythm.

And the blitz packages were non effective. We need Davenport back soon. Very little pressure on Daniel all game.

Rsanders24 · 10-03-2021, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Still makes no sense that they pass on a 46 yard FG attempt yet try to make a 58 harder. Payton called this game as poorly as can be called.

I said the same thing….made zero sense.

neugey · 10-03-2021, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

And maybe putting your TE to block the best defensive player without any help wasn't such a great plan either on that play.

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If I remember correctly Ramcyzk was blocking air on that play. It may have been his missed assignment that led to the hold. I'm not sure. But you're right Trautman vs Williams is a mismatch.

Boston Saint · 10-03-2021, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

It's mystifying. In the GB game we rushed four, sometimes even 3, and we were in Rodgers face all game regardless. Now this week we had home field advantage and the added advantage of crowd noise, yet had 0 sacks and very little hurries and allowed Jones to go for 400 yards on 40 attempts. I think the defense ate the cheese and thought the Giants would crumble because of the environment. The much derided Garrett also basically outcoached Payton. Gotta be careful who you make light of in this league.

Careful neugey, apparently it’s not possible for players to eat the cheese. Us fans Mentioning so is a No No.

neugey · 10-03-2021, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Careful neugey, apparently it’s not possible for players to eat the cheese. Us fans Mentioning so is a No No.

If mentioning eating of cheese is off-limits, then I'm okay with saying that the Giants wanted it more than we did. Especially in the second half that's what I saw.

Boston Saint · 10-03-2021, 06:37 PM

If only Michael Thomas were available ...<<sigh>>

K Major · 10-03-2021, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Not kicking the FG early is an interesting development ... Didn't cost us the game , but it might have changed the dynamics of the game .

Last week a beat reporter asked CSP about Rosas and his response was “he’s been good”

. Fast forward to today, he’s still missing fgs.

Rosas should have been cut after the Patriots game.

Not sure how long we’ll be without Lutz, but I would have been all over Verity weeks ago.

10-03-2021, 06:16 PM	#21
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Still makes no sense that they pass on a 46 yard FG attempt yet try to make a 58 yarder. Payton called this game as poorly as can be called. MatthewT, neugey, Rsanders24 and 4 others like this.

10-03-2021, 06:20 PM	#22
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by K Major The real killer was the hold by Trautman. Took away a Stills TD off the board. And maybe putting your TE to block the best defensive player without any help wasn't such a great plan either on that play. Sent from my motorola edge 20 pro using Tapatalk jnormand, neugey and jeanpierre like this.

10-03-2021, 06:23 PM	#23
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I feel like our D-Line’s dominance owes a lot to our LB’s lining up in the A gap. Teams are essentially running on a six man front. When we have to rush four we have a very raw rookie DE, undrafted-caliber DT’s and Cam Jordan who offers very little in the pass rush department these days. It's mystifying. In the GB game we rushed four, sometimes even 3, and we were in Rodgers face all game regardless. Now this week we had home field advantage and the added advantage of crowd noise, yet had 0 sacks and very little hurries and allowed Jones to go for 400 yards on 40 attempts. I think the defense ate the cheese and thought the Giants would crumble because of the environment. The much derided Garrett also basically outcoached Payton. Gotta be careful who you make light of in this league. jeanpierre and Boston Saint like this.

10-03-2021, 06:24 PM	#24
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by ChrisXVI LET JAMEIS SLING IT. We’re a .500 team playing cautious offense and we won’t be making a run at it anyway so let Jameis be a gunslinger. Have to have some type of WR that at least causes concern for the opposing defense. Payton has to stop with this predictable play calling and trying to be cute. That Taysom power on 3rd and short was a terrible play call and so was the pass play for Taysom right after Winton was really getting into a rhythm. And the blitz packages were non effective. We need Davenport back soon. Very little pressure on Daniel all game. neugey and Boston Saint like this.

10-03-2021, 06:25 PM	#25
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by Boston Saint Still makes no sense that they pass on a 46 yard FG attempt yet try to make a 58 harder. Payton called this game as poorly as can be called. I said the same thing….made zero sense.

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10-03-2021, 06:27 PM	#26
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by FinSaint And maybe putting your TE to block the best defensive player without any help wasn't such a great plan either on that play. Sent from my motorola edge 20 pro using Tapatalk If I remember correctly Ramcyzk was blocking air on that play. It may have been his missed assignment that led to the hold. I'm not sure. But you're right Trautman vs Williams is a mismatch. jeanpierre likes this.

10-03-2021, 06:29 PM	#27
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by neugey It's mystifying. In the GB game we rushed four, sometimes even 3, and we were in Rodgers face all game regardless. Now this week we had home field advantage and the added advantage of crowd noise, yet had 0 sacks and very little hurries and allowed Jones to go for 400 yards on 40 attempts. I think the defense ate the cheese and thought the Giants would crumble because of the environment. The much derided Garrett also basically outcoached Payton. Gotta be careful who you make light of in this league. Careful neugey, apparently it’s not possible for players to eat the cheese. Us fans Mentioning so is a No No.

10-03-2021, 06:35 PM	#28
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by Boston Saint Careful neugey, apparently it’s not possible for players to eat the cheese. Us fans Mentioning so is a No No. If mentioning eating of cheese is off-limits, then I'm okay with saying that the Giants wanted it more than we did. Especially in the second half that's what I saw. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

10-03-2021, 06:37 PM	#29
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10-03-2021, 06:46 PM	#30
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observation From the Saints' Loss to the Giants Originally Posted by SmashMouth Not kicking the FG early is an interesting development ... Didn't cost us the game , but it might have changed the dynamics of the game . Last week a beat reporter asked CSP about Rosas and his response was “he’s been good”. Fast forward to today, he’s still missing fgs. Rosas should have been cut after the Patriots game. Not sure how long we’ll be without Lutz, but I would have been all over Verity weeks ago. RailBoss, Rsanders24, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

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