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Old 11-21-2021, 07:47 PM   #11
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Re: Why Book is the man for the job

List of recent rookie QB's put into action who have been competent or better:
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Gardner Minshew
Tua Tagavaloia
Jalen Hurts (you can debate his pedigree, and I hesitated to list him, but he's beat us twice now)
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson

So do we trust our scouting, or not?
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Old 11-21-2021, 07:57 PM   #12
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Re: Why Book is the man for the job

Originally Posted by neugey View Post
List of recent rookie QB's put into action who have been competent or better:
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Justin Herbert
Gardner Minshew
Tua Tagavaloia
Jalen Hurts (you can debate his pedigree, and I hesitated to list him, but he's beat us twice now)
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson

So do we trust our scouting, or not?
Most of those were drafted to start right away. All but Hurts and Minshew were drafted in the first round. Book was drafted to someday maybe have a chance after development.
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Old 11-21-2021, 09:04 PM   #13
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Most of those were drafted to start right away. All but Hurts and Minshew were drafted in the first round. Book was drafted to someday maybe have a chance after development.

There's no possible argument that Book is a "project" QB and needs this additional "development" you are alluding to. He's the all-time winningest QB in Irish history. Plenty of starts under his belt and lots of big game experience. He played in 45 games in college ... the same number Drew Brees played in at Purdue. Maybe not as many pass attempts as Drew, but Ian played in a pro-style offense at a high level and Coach Kelly did a fine job getting him ready. This is a rookie with pedigree.



Was Book a product of an Irish system - is he fools' gold? Definitely not. The QB situation before and now after him has been a big adventure - Book however, was a stalwart with great confidence and low turnovers.



Book just doesn't have the howitzer arm strength that makes the NFL scouts/experts jizz themselves and spend a first/second round pick. Neither did Brees; luckily Brees had the Rose Bowl W and bigger passing stats working for him.


Does it suck being in this situation losing Jameis to injury and having Taysom so banged up - Yes!
Does it make sense to keep starting a very marginal and limited Siemian out of "rookie phobia" - No!


Sometimes circumstances change and you need to take the next step with a rookie QB a little sooner than you planned. Ask the coach from Baltimore if he thinks he made the wrong decision a few years ago. Now, Book is no Lamar Jackson, but he certainly could be a starter in the mold of Jake Plummer, Rich Gannon, Tony Romo or Jeff Garcia - and possibly better. If Book is the incarnation of any of those four, he'd be a sight for sore eyes compared to what we have right now!

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Old 11-21-2021, 10:27 PM   #14
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Does he even know the playbook?
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Old 11-21-2021, 10:31 PM   #15
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Re: Why Book is the man for the job

Is this even a conversation to have now? That is, unless we are admitting that this team has zero chance to get into post season play in the 2021 season? I can't really see the point in 'we have other guys so let's see what we have' with project personnel unless means that starting him makes this team better for this season. Period.

Obviously, the coaches don't see enough to want to pull the trigger on that option... yet.
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Is this even a conversation to have now? That is, unless we are admitting that this team has zero chance to get into post season play in the 2021 season? I can't really see the point in 'we have other guys so let's see what we have' with project personnel unless means that starting him makes this team better for this season. Period.

Obviously, the coaches don't see enough to want to pull the trigger on that option... yet.

For lots of reasons I'd bet Trevor is our starter, but I'm all for giving the kid a shot. We're .500. By the time we see the Jets my bet is we're still looking for our 6th win. It is what it is. Given our inability to pass the ball all season, let the kid play.



Playoffs? Its not a one to one, forgive me, but this is where my brain is right now...


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Old 11-22-2021, 12:05 AM   #17
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Is this even a conversation to have now? That is, unless we are admitting that this team has zero chance to get into post season play in the 2021 season? I can't really see the point in 'we have other guys so let's see what we have' with project personnel unless means that starting him makes this team better for this season. Period.

Obviously, the coaches don't see enough to want to pull the trigger on that option... yet.

If we wait until it's too late and the postseason hopes are toast, then we could run into a situation where we look back and wonder what could have been if we just handed Book the reigns in week 11 or 12.


No one in their right mind sees Siemian leading us to a playoff win. Book at least gives us a chance if he provides a spark. Taysom too possibly, if he can manage to get healthy enough.


Need to give up the ghost on Siemian. We're handicapping ourselves.
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Old 11-22-2021, 06:38 AM   #18
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Why not? Because the Saints are still in a playoff position now sitting with the 7th seed. Other NFC teams keeps losing. As bad as Siemian is he still has NFL experience and I trust him more than a rookie when games still count. The only way he should see the field is if we are mathematically eliminated and that may not happen at all.
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Old 11-22-2021, 08:18 AM   #19
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I understand the love for Book and feel he would be very good in the short passing game and as a threat to take off and run. My concern with Book is he doesn't look to have the accuracy or arm to throw past 10-15 yards.
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There's no possible argument that Book is a "project" QB and needs this additional "development" you are alluding to. He's the all-time winningest QB in Irish history. Plenty of starts under his belt and lots of big game experience. He played in 45 games in college ... the same number Drew Brees played in at Purdue. Maybe not as many pass attempts as Drew, but Ian played in a pro-style offense at a high level and Coach Kelly did a fine job getting him ready. This is a rookie with pedigree.



Was Book a product of an Irish system - is he fools' gold? Definitely not. The QB situation before and now after him has been a big adventure - Book however, was a stalwart with great confidence and low turnovers.



Book just doesn't have the howitzer arm strength that makes the NFL scouts/experts jizz themselves and spend a first/second round pick. Neither did Brees; luckily Brees had the Rose Bowl W and bigger passing stats working for him.


Does it suck being in this situation losing Jameis to injury and having Taysom so banged up - Yes!
Does it make sense to keep starting a very marginal and limited Siemian out of "rookie phobia" - No!


Sometimes circumstances change and you need to take the next step with a rookie QB a little sooner than you planned. Ask the coach from Baltimore if he thinks he made the wrong decision a few years ago. Now, Book is no Lamar Jackson, but he certainly could be a starter in the mold of Jake Plummer, Rich Gannon, Tony Romo or Jeff Garcia - and possibly better. If Book is the incarnation of any of those four, he'd be a sight for sore eyes compared to what we have right now!
I take it you are a Notre Dame fan. Admittedly I really don't follow college football hardly at all beyond NC State, but I had never heard of Ian Book until we drafted him. It doesn't seem as though the front office sees him as more than a project at this point and I trust their judgement since their goal is to win games, not to see what we have. Early in the season a caller asked former Notre Dame HC Charlie Weis about Book and Weis said he likes Book a lot, but added that Book is no where near prepared to take snaps in an NFL game, but may be at some point in the future and that would be at some point beyond this season or the next when the caller asked when.

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