Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M

11-23-2021, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It's time to put and end to such speculation. A trade for Wilson or Rodgers isn't going to happen for the Saints.

A thought experiment for context. Consider the Herschel Walker trade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

That is about the level of talent that would need to be traded for one of these QBs. Please define what personnel the Saints have in players and picks that can match that. Think along the lines of trading all of: Kamara, Davenport, Lattimore, Demario Davis, and Ramcyck, along with multiple first and second round picks.

It's not going to happen. We should stop talking/speculating about it. It will decimate the team.

SFIAH

If either QB desperately wants to move on the clubs will oblige. Neither club will hold a trade partner hostage in this case. Green Bay has already restructured Rodgers' contract to make it more attractive for trade. I don't think the possibilities are great, but they definitely are not impossible for the Saints. Along with the Hill extension there are more moves that can free up 2022 & 2023 cap. Couple that with what should be huge leaps in cap levels the next couple of years nothing is impossible.

AsylumGuido · 11-23-2021, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It seems crazy, but It’s a little misleading Voodoo. The contract could be for as “little” as around 11 mill a year. I’m not saying I’m in favor of it, but he only gets 96 if he indeed becomes the QB.

At $96 million for four years it wuld be a steal for a QB contract opening up all types of possibilities for higher prices free agent additions.

K Major · 11-23-2021, 10:35 AM

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-wilson-trade/

AsylumGuido · 11-23-2021, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-wilson-trade/

Posted by Josh Alper on February 22, 2021, 3:38 PM EST

When Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson went public with his desire to have a voice in personnel decisions and his frustration with getting hit too much earlier this month, word was that the Seahawks were unhappy about it and that led some to wonder if it was the first step toward a departure from the team.

Wilson said the question of whether he’s available in a trade is for the Seahawks to answer and teams have reportedly been asking. Michael Silver of NFL Media reports that one-third of the league has called the team about the possibility of a Wilson trade.

Silver adds that those teams have come away with the belief that the starting point for any serious conversations would be three first-round picks. That’s a bit different than word earlier this month that there was no chance that the team would trade Wilson, although it’s unclear if anyone has conveyed a willingness to move that number of assets to Seattle in a trade.

Trading Wilson would require the Seahawks to take $39 million of dead money onto their cap, although waiting to process a trade until after June 1 would allow them to push $26 million of it into the 2022 season. Silver also reported that the Seahawks got Wilson’s message and that there is an opportunity to alleviate his concerns before any trade would be on the table.

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That was from this past February. With one more year down the road and coming off a very disappointing season the asking price could easily be even lower.

jnormand · 11-23-2021, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It seems crazy, but It’s a little misleading Voodoo. The contract could be for as “little” as around 11 mill a year. I’m not saying I’m in favor of it, but he only gets 96 if he indeed becomes the QB.

Exactly. And he has to keep the starting job year after year to get that big chunk of money. So even if he gets the job and losses it mid season or after 1 season, he won't be paid all that money. He has to be the starter.

Boston Saint · 11-23-2021, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

At $96 million for four years it wuld be a steal for a QB contract opening up all types of possibilities for higher prices free agent additions.

IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season. The franchise tag value for a QB for 2021 according to spotrac is just under 25. So you are paying him close to a top 5 QB. Unless my math is wrong.

AsylumGuido · 11-23-2021, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season. The franchise tag value for a QB for 2021 according to spotrac is just under 25. So you are paying him close to a top 5 QB. Unless my math is wrong.

That is if he starts all four years. You have to factor in QB salaries with the expanded cap in years 2022 through 2025. Some projections have average QB salaries being over $30 million in the very near future.

According to overthecap.com the top 13 2022 QB cap numbers are $23 million or more. Of those nine are more than $30 million and four are over $40 million! It's just going to keep climbing every year. Locking in a potential starting QB at $23 million per year for four years is absolutely a steal.

AsylumGuido · 11-23-2021, 11:12 AM

Boston Saint · 11-23-2021, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is if he starts all four years. You have to factor in QB salaries with the expanded cap in years 2022 through 2025. Some projections have average QB salaries being over $30 million in the very near future.

According to overthecap.com the top 13 2022 QB cap numbers are $23 million or more. Of those nine are more than $30 million and four are over $40 million! It's just going to keep climbing every year. Locking in a potential starting QB at $23 million per year for four years is absolutely a steal.

And projections had Michael Thomas playing this year. Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best.

GeauxForMore · 11-23-2021, 11:26 AM

So does this mean he is the starting QB Thursday? I mean we can't start Trevor again can we?

11-23-2021, 10:27 AM	#41
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It's time to put and end to such speculation. A trade for Wilson or Rodgers isn't going to happen for the Saints. A thought experiment for context. Consider the Herschel Walker trade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade That is about the level of talent that would need to be traded for one of these QBs. Please define what personnel the Saints have in players and picks that can match that. Think along the lines of trading all of: Kamara, Davenport, Lattimore, Demario Davis, and Ramcyck, along with multiple first and second round picks. It's not going to happen. We should stop talking/speculating about it. It will decimate the team. SFIAH If either QB desperately wants to move on the clubs will oblige. Neither club will hold a trade partner hostage in this case. Green Bay has already restructured Rodgers' contract to make it more attractive for trade. I don't think the possibilities are great, but they definitely are not impossible for the Saints. Along with the Hill extension there are more moves that can free up 2022 & 2023 cap. Couple that with what should be huge leaps in cap levels the next couple of years nothing is impossible.
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11-23-2021, 10:35 AM	#42
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Hill new contract Originally Posted by Boston Saint It seems crazy, but It’s a little misleading Voodoo. The contract could be for as “little” as around 11 mill a year. I’m not saying I’m in favor of it, but he only gets 96 if he indeed becomes the QB. At $96 million for four years it wuld be a steal for a QB contract opening up all types of possibilities for higher prices free agent additions.

11-23-2021, 10:35 AM	#43
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-wilson-trade/

11-23-2021, 10:39 AM	#44
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Taysom Hill, Saints Reportedly Agree to 'Unique' Hybrid Contract Worth Up to $95M Originally Posted by K Major https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-wilson-trade/ Posted by Josh Alper on February 22, 2021, 3:38 PM EST When Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson went public with his desire to have a voice in personnel decisions and his frustration with getting hit too much earlier this month, word was that the Seahawks were unhappy about it and that led some to wonder if it was the first step toward a departure from the team. Wilson said the question of whether he’s available in a trade is for the Seahawks to answer and teams have reportedly been asking. Michael Silver of NFL Media reports that one-third of the league has called the team about the possibility of a Wilson trade. Silver adds that those teams have come away with the belief that the starting point for any serious conversations would be three first-round picks. That’s a bit different than word earlier this month that there was no chance that the team would trade Wilson, although it’s unclear if anyone has conveyed a willingness to move that number of assets to Seattle in a trade. Trading Wilson would require the Seahawks to take $39 million of dead money onto their cap, although waiting to process a trade until after June 1 would allow them to push $26 million of it into the 2022 season. Silver also reported that the Seahawks got Wilson’s message and that there is an opportunity to alleviate his concerns before any trade would be on the table. ____________________________________________________ That was from this past February. With one more year down the road and coming off a very disappointing season the asking price could easily be even lower.
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11-23-2021, 10:39 AM	#45
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,661	Re: Hill new contract Originally Posted by Boston Saint It seems crazy, but It’s a little misleading Voodoo. The contract could be for as “little” as around 11 mill a year. I’m not saying I’m in favor of it, but he only gets 96 if he indeed becomes the QB. Exactly. And he has to keep the starting job year after year to get that big chunk of money. So even if he gets the job and losses it mid season or after 1 season, he won't be paid all that money. He has to be the starter. AsylumGuido likes this.

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11-23-2021, 10:46 AM	#46
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Hill new contract Originally Posted by AsylumGuido At $96 million for four years it wuld be a steal for a QB contract opening up all types of possibilities for higher prices free agent additions. IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season. The franchise tag value for a QB for 2021 according to spotrac is just under 25. So you are paying him close to a top 5 QB. Unless my math is wrong.

11-23-2021, 10:56 AM	#47
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Hill new contract Originally Posted by Boston Saint IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season. The franchise tag value for a QB for 2021 according to spotrac is just under 25. So you are paying him close to a top 5 QB. Unless my math is wrong. That is if he starts all four years. You have to factor in QB salaries with the expanded cap in years 2022 through 2025. Some projections have average QB salaries being over $30 million in the very near future. According to overthecap.com the top 13 2022 QB cap numbers are $23 million or more. Of those nine are more than $30 million and four are over $40 million! It's just going to keep climbing every year. Locking in a potential starting QB at $23 million per year for four years is absolutely a steal.

11-23-2021, 11:12 AM	#48
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11-23-2021, 11:21 AM	#49
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Hill new contract Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is if he starts all four years. You have to factor in QB salaries with the expanded cap in years 2022 through 2025. Some projections have average QB salaries being over $30 million in the very near future. According to overthecap.com the top 13 2022 QB cap numbers are $23 million or more. Of those nine are more than $30 million and four are over $40 million! It's just going to keep climbing every year. Locking in a potential starting QB at $23 million per year for four years is absolutely a steal. And projections had Michael Thomas playing this year. Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best.

11-23-2021, 11:26 AM	#50
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