Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills

K Major · 11-26-2021, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them.

1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody.

2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it.

I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance.

+1.

I've said this countless times but this is the result when you ignore drafting at the skill position for 3+ seasons. 0 route runners on tap. This should be a wake-up call for CSP.

It's time to draft some legit, high-quality WR's. No more hoping to turn a lump of coal into a diamond.

The Great Marques Colston's of the world are rare breeds.

Boston Saint · 11-26-2021, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them.

1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody.

2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it.

I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance.

I think your 2 point is the biggest factor. And even then they were competitive until injuries struck. Having Lutz out alone has cost 2 games.

Lord_Saint83 · 11-26-2021, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

+1.

I've said this countless times but this is the result when you ignore drafting at the skill position for 3+ seasons. 0 route runners on tap. This should be a wake-up call for CSP.

It's time to draft some legit, high-quality WR's. No more hoping to turn a lump of coal into a diamond.

The Great Marques Colston's of the world are rare breeds.

Also them drafting guys you never heard of out these small schools in the first few rounds too. I’m getting tired of “Sam Wilson” from the university of Montana at Missoula sh*t. These guys got a huge learning curve to over come in the pros. It’s like they are trying to prove people wrong instead of going for surer things.

papz · 11-26-2021, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them.

1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody.

2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it.

I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance.

I think he did and that's a big problem.

We have a personnel problem that needs to be addressed. Whether it's Payton who needs to take a step back or getting the right GM/team together to evaluate talent. I get Loomis is "a cap guru", but he needs to be more than that.

K Major · 11-26-2021, 11:40 AM

Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly.

Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches.

Pathetic performance on offense.

saintfan · 11-26-2021, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly.

Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches.

Pathetic performance on offense.

And maybe its just me, but Trevor is just...he is a competent backup qb. He just doesn't seem to me to have that 'get behind me we're gonna do this' vibe about him. He plays disinterested. I don't think the man is disinterested. I swear I'm not throwing rocks. He just plays that way. He plays like a guy going to the office and doing what they tell him...and nothing more. And that's fine if you're holding the clipboard...

The team looks like it is reflecting this. Guys are looking around at each other with these wtf looks on their faces. Shoulders down. Heads shaking. It is sad to see how far we've fallen. This disinterest has leaked over to the defense, so thankfully we do have some people on that side of the ball leading and playing with pride. Drew would be lighting people up on the sideline. MT would be doing the same.

And the thing is, we weren't playing a whole lot better before all the injuries. We have not found our QB. That much is clear.

RailBoss · 11-26-2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them.

1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody.

2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it.

I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance.

For #2 and yet they came out of the blue with that crazy Taysom contract.

RailBoss · 11-26-2021, 01:14 PM

I'm sure Emmanuel Sanders stopped by to say Hi-De-Ho to Sean.

RailBoss · 11-26-2021, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly.

Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches.

Pathetic performance on offense.

Not sure if you all heard what Drew said about Trevor. He drops very deep back which is a Lineman's nightmare. It cripples him from stepping into the pocket past the rush which leaves him most times a sitting duck.

dizzle88 · 11-26-2021, 01:47 PM

This team is too dysfunctional in too many areas. 4 straight losses have shown every weakness and there's a lot of them.

Offense can only sustain drives against prevent defenses
Defense coverage and pass rush is too inconsistent
Injuries to too many players
No reliable kicker to make points
Haven't made a successful 2 pointer in what feels like years
Olineman acting like turnstiles but being paid as NFL players

The way Loomis and Payton treat the cap, it'll be like this for a while too. Massively overpaying players or extending contracts of players that can't stay healthy.

At this point, I'd rather us lose out for the draft pick, which will probably get taken away when Payton or the Gas Station attendants we have at WR do something else illegal

11-26-2021, 11:12 AM	#11
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,033 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by saintfan Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them. 1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody. 2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it. I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance. +1. I've said this countless times but this is the result when you ignore drafting at the skill position for 3+ seasons. 0 route runners on tap. This should be a wake-up call for CSP. It's time to draft some legit, high-quality WR's. No more hoping to turn a lump of coal into a diamond. The Great Marques Colston's of the world are rare breeds. saintfan, Rugby Saint II and Lord_Saint83 like this.

11-26-2021, 11:16 AM	#12
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by saintfan Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them. 1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody. 2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it. I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance. I think your 2 point is the biggest factor. And even then they were competitive until injuries struck. Having Lutz out alone has cost 2 games. saintfan and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-26-2021, 11:25 AM	#13
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by K Major +1. I've said this countless times but this is the result when you ignore drafting at the skill position for 3+ seasons. 0 route runners on tap. This should be a wake-up call for CSP. It's time to draft some legit, high-quality WR's. No more hoping to turn a lump of coal into a diamond. The Great Marques Colston's of the world are rare breeds. Also them drafting guys you never heard of out these small schools in the first few rounds too. I’m getting tired of “Sam Wilson” from the university of Montana at Missoula sh*t. These guys got a huge learning curve to over come in the pros. It’s like they are trying to prove people wrong instead of going for surer things. saintfan and K Major like this.

11-26-2021, 11:32 AM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by saintfan Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them. 1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody. 2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it. I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance. I think he did and that's a big problem. We have a personnel problem that needs to be addressed. Whether it's Payton who needs to take a step back or getting the right GM/team together to evaluate talent. I get Loomis is "a cap guru", but he needs to be more than that.

11-26-2021, 11:40 AM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,033 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly. Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches. Pathetic performance on offense. saintfan, RailBoss, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

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11-26-2021, 12:06 PM	#16
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by K Major Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly. Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches. Pathetic performance on offense. And maybe its just me, but Trevor is just...he is a competent backup qb. He just doesn't seem to me to have that 'get behind me we're gonna do this' vibe about him. He plays disinterested. I don't think the man is disinterested. I swear I'm not throwing rocks. He just plays that way. He plays like a guy going to the office and doing what they tell him...and nothing more. And that's fine if you're holding the clipboard... The team looks like it is reflecting this. Guys are looking around at each other with these wtf looks on their faces. Shoulders down. Heads shaking. It is sad to see how far we've fallen. This disinterest has leaked over to the defense, so thankfully we do have some people on that side of the ball leading and playing with pride. Drew would be lighting people up on the sideline. MT would be doing the same. And the thing is, we weren't playing a whole lot better before all the injuries. We have not found our QB. That much is clear. neugey, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
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11-26-2021, 01:11 PM	#17
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by saintfan Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them. 1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody. 2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it. I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance. For #2 and yet they came out of the blue with that crazy Taysom contract.

11-26-2021, 01:14 PM	#18
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills I'm sure Emmanuel Sanders stopped by to say Hi-De-Ho to Sean.

11-26-2021, 01:20 PM	#19
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by K Major Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly. Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches. Pathetic performance on offense. Not sure if you all heard what Drew said about Trevor. He drops very deep back which is a Lineman's nightmare. It cripples him from stepping into the pocket past the rush which leaves him most times a sitting duck.

11-26-2021, 01:47 PM	#20
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills This team is too dysfunctional in too many areas. 4 straight losses have shown every weakness and there's a lot of them. Offense can only sustain drives against prevent defenses Defense coverage and pass rush is too inconsistent Injuries to too many players No reliable kicker to make points Haven't made a successful 2 pointer in what feels like years Olineman acting like turnstiles but being paid as NFL players The way Loomis and Payton treat the cap, it'll be like this for a while too. Massively overpaying players or extending contracts of players that can't stay healthy. At this point, I'd rather us lose out for the draft pick, which will probably get taken away when Payton or the Gas Station attendants we have at WR do something else illegal jnormand likes this.
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