Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills

Boston Saint · 11-26-2021, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

-5-6+ second drop backs are not sustainable especially with our current O-line.
- really hate us continually going for two early in games, especially since were not good at it.
- I get that we don't have the fastest WRs but there are ways around that (Steve Largent is HOF and her was never the fastest guy on the field) are they not good route runners either? Even the veterans?
- D did everything could when they didn't get many breathers from the O.

Only problem I have with this is the thoughts on the D. In no way am I blaming the loss on them. However, on their first drive of the game, the Bills drove easily for a TD. On the first drive of the second half, Bills had an over 6 minute drive down the Saints throat for a TD (including a converting on a 3rd and very long by a QB scramble IIRC). Those were against rested defenses and they were coffin nails when the offense is struggling.

blackangold · 11-26-2021, 08:54 AM

Not much good about this team.

Offense is among the worst in the league.
Defense is average at best.

Toss Book in there to see what you got and tank the rest of the season. They need to focus on rebuilding.

Playoffs lol… even if we made it, it would be a blowout loss in the wild card round. Let’s get a top 10 pick please.

RailBoss · 11-26-2021, 09:58 AM

Just think about Coach Moras legendary speech, serious I wonder if we can win another game. Maybe the Jets or Dolphins after that it's anybody's guess.

“Playoffs? Don’t talk about?playoffs?! You kidding me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game!” Mora cried out.

jnormand · 11-26-2021, 10:45 AM

I'm hungover. But it was worth it.

K Major · 11-26-2021, 11:40 AM

Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly.

Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches.

Pathetic performance on offense.

saintfan · 11-26-2021, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly.

Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches.

Pathetic performance on offense.

And maybe its just me, but Trevor is just...he is a competent backup qb. He just doesn't seem to me to have that 'get behind me we're gonna do this' vibe about him. He plays disinterested. I don't think the man is disinterested. I swear I'm not throwing rocks. He just plays that way. He plays like a guy going to the office and doing what they tell him...and nothing more. And that's fine if you're holding the clipboard...

The team looks like it is reflecting this. Guys are looking around at each other with these wtf looks on their faces. Shoulders down. Heads shaking. It is sad to see how far we've fallen. This disinterest has leaked over to the defense, so thankfully we do have some people on that side of the ball leading and playing with pride. Drew would be lighting people up on the sideline. MT would be doing the same.

And the thing is, we weren't playing a whole lot better before all the injuries. We have not found our QB. That much is clear.

RailBoss · 11-26-2021, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly.

Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches.

Pathetic performance on offense.

Not sure if you all heard what Drew said about Trevor. He drops very deep back which is a Lineman's nightmare. It cripples him from stepping into the pocket past the rush which leaves him most times a sitting duck.

saintfan · 11-26-2021, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Not sure if you all heard what Drew said about Trevor. He drops very deep back which is a Lineman's nightmare. It cripples him from stepping into the pocket past the rush which leaves him most times a sitting duck.

Yeah. He said it made life hard on guards trying to block for a foolish man who, after years of playing football, still has not figured out he needs to step up in the pocket.

Well, Drew didn't say it that way but that's what he said more or less.

RailBoss · 11-26-2021, 01:14 PM

I'm sure Emmanuel Sanders stopped by to say Hi-De-Ho to Sean.

dizzle88 · 11-26-2021, 01:47 PM

This team is too dysfunctional in too many areas. 4 straight losses have shown every weakness and there's a lot of them.

Offense can only sustain drives against prevent defenses
Defense coverage and pass rush is too inconsistent
Injuries to too many players
No reliable kicker to make points
Haven't made a successful 2 pointer in what feels like years
Olineman acting like turnstiles but being paid as NFL players

The way Loomis and Payton treat the cap, it'll be like this for a while too. Massively overpaying players or extending contracts of players that can't stay healthy.

At this point, I'd rather us lose out for the draft pick, which will probably get taken away when Payton or the Gas Station attendants we have at WR do something else illegal

11-26-2021, 08:49 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by SaintGnome -5-6+ second drop backs are not sustainable especially with our current O-line. - really hate us continually going for two early in games, especially since were not good at it. - I get that we don't have the fastest WRs but there are ways around that (Steve Largent is HOF and her was never the fastest guy on the field) are they not good route runners either? Even the veterans? - D did everything could when they didn't get many breathers from the O. Only problem I have with this is the thoughts on the D. In no way am I blaming the loss on them. However, on their first drive of the game, the Bills drove easily for a TD. On the first drive of the second half, Bills had an over 6 minute drive down the Saints throat for a TD (including a converting on a 3rd and very long by a QB scramble IIRC). Those were against rested defenses and they were coffin nails when the offense is struggling.

11-26-2021, 08:54 AM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Not much good about this team. Offense is among the worst in the league. Defense is average at best. Toss Book in there to see what you got and tank the rest of the season. They need to focus on rebuilding. Playoffs lol… even if we made it, it would be a blowout loss in the wild card round. Let’s get a top 10 pick please. jnormand, neugey, RailBoss and 1 others like this.

11-26-2021, 09:58 AM	#3
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Just think about Coach Moras legendary speech, serious I wonder if we can win another game. Maybe the Jets or Dolphins after that it's anybody's guess. “Playoffs? Don’t talk about?playoffs?! You kidding me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game!” Mora cried out. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-26-2021, 10:45 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills I'm hungover. But it was worth it. RailBoss and SmashMouth like this.

11-26-2021, 11:40 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,830 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly. Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches. Pathetic performance on offense. saintfan, RailBoss, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

11-26-2021, 12:06 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by K Major Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly. Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches. Pathetic performance on offense. And maybe its just me, but Trevor is just...he is a competent backup qb. He just doesn't seem to me to have that 'get behind me we're gonna do this' vibe about him. He plays disinterested. I don't think the man is disinterested. I swear I'm not throwing rocks. He just plays that way. He plays like a guy going to the office and doing what they tell him...and nothing more. And that's fine if you're holding the clipboard... The team looks like it is reflecting this. Guys are looking around at each other with these wtf looks on their faces. Shoulders down. Heads shaking. It is sad to see how far we've fallen. This disinterest has leaked over to the defense, so thankfully we do have some people on that side of the ball leading and playing with pride. Drew would be lighting people up on the sideline. MT would be doing the same. And the thing is, we weren't playing a whole lot better before all the injuries. We have not found our QB. That much is clear. neugey, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
	C'mon Man...

11-26-2021, 01:20 PM	#7
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by K Major Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly. Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches. Pathetic performance on offense. Not sure if you all heard what Drew said about Trevor. He drops very deep back which is a Lineman's nightmare. It cripples him from stepping into the pocket past the rush which leaves him most times a sitting duck.

11-26-2021, 09:54 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills Originally Posted by RailBoss Not sure if you all heard what Drew said about Trevor. He drops very deep back which is a Lineman's nightmare. It cripples him from stepping into the pocket past the rush which leaves him most times a sitting duck. Yeah. He said it made life hard on guards trying to block for a foolish man who, after years of playing football, still has not figured out he needs to step up in the pocket. Well, Drew didn't say it that way but that's what he said more or less. jeanpierre and Sinner like this.

11-26-2021, 01:14 PM	#9
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills I'm sure Emmanuel Sanders stopped by to say Hi-De-Ho to Sean.

11-26-2021, 01:47 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills This team is too dysfunctional in too many areas. 4 straight losses have shown every weakness and there's a lot of them. Offense can only sustain drives against prevent defenses Defense coverage and pass rush is too inconsistent Injuries to too many players No reliable kicker to make points Haven't made a successful 2 pointer in what feels like years Olineman acting like turnstiles but being paid as NFL players The way Loomis and Payton treat the cap, it'll be like this for a while too. Massively overpaying players or extending contracts of players that can't stay healthy. At this point, I'd rather us lose out for the draft pick, which will probably get taken away when Payton or the Gas Station attendants we have at WR do something else illegal jnormand likes this.
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