AsylumGuido

Rugby Saint II

Also, quitters don't win.

neugey

Fight until you're eliminated. If there are any games left, play spoiler.

It's a long azz offseason.

AsylumGuido

No kidding. Besides, why worry about a draft pick as a fan when Sean Payton will just trade it away anyway.

saintfan

Aright you little ...

Find me saying I hope we lose, and I'll stop calling you a little .

Boston Saint

Just because a team loses their last few games doesn’t mean they stopped trying. The Saints lost their last 5, I think they tried in all those games. Therein lies the rub. The way Guido phrased the question has nothing to do with the idea that the team quit or not; Nor does it mean with hindsight knowledge that those who would prefer a higher draft pick were pulling for the team to lose to get in that position in his proposed situation.

AsylumGuido

Who said I’m talking about you? You haven’t even voted in the poll. As I pointed out earlier most of the reason for this poll was based upon what several members of the Saints twitter and Facebook groups were saying. I was wondering what the people in here felt. About half seem to prefer losing out over winning out. I’ll never understand that, but that’s how they feel.

saintfan

You did little . You replied directly to my post and argued the point with me did you not?

Go back and look at post #30 (your post), where you argue against...yourself. Argue with someone who actually says the things you make up in your mind so you can fight with people and feed your warped ego you little .

Stop replying to my posts in an argumentative way and I'll stop making you look stupid. Block me so you're no longer tempted. How'd that be little ?

jnormand

Saintfan, why are you self censoring calling someone Little John....ooooooh wait....now I get it.

Rugby Saint II

If I recall correctly Guido, that was not his original MO when he took over this Saints team or even after our 7-9 seasons during his roster rebuild. Sean Payton's early roster building MO is to stock his team well with highly evaluated draft picks and let them fight it out. Let the best man win. We bring in young hungry talented guys who can fill Sean's vision for their niche role and then see who can develop into a full time starter.

We've also had great success with mid tier free agents that Payton has a vision for bringing in additional firepower. Not to mention the UDFA's gems we find nearly every single year who are in integral part of this team. We've had more success in recent years with mid tier free agents than in recent memory which was suspect to say the least. The Saints use Sean Payton's vision for a player after strong scouting to determine if the staff can develop the player into an integral piece for the team, whether it's through the draft or free agency.

Sean is a gambler. Let him gamble! His Ambush kick says he's good at taking gambles. Yes, he's lost most of his gambles this year, but look at what he had to work with. The failed two point conversion kicks were purely out of desperation with Lutz on IR. Payton should be successful moving forward in the future depending upon the cards that he's dealt and what he's holding. You gotta' know when to hold em and when to fold 'em. That includes not playing injured vets and getting film on your backups for a more accurate evaluation regarding their future with the team. Putting in Book now could make sense since he's been to a full TC and had time in the Saints system to learn the playbook. It very well might be an investment in the future. Taysom, the backup QB has a damaged finger on his throwing hand. He might be able to win a game or two with his legs. But I believe his future is at the joker role. That's not throwing in the towel! At some point you need to become a realist and formulate a plan moving forward to improve the team and that includes evaluating your back ups.

Once we have a well rounded roster like the last few years, before having to gut the team to get under the salary cap this year, then we begin to target players that have the "it" factor that Payton has a vision for. Unfortunately, our picks have been injury riddled without an injury history far too often. Nevertheless, this strategy of acquiring players to fill out the Saints roster until it is considered one of the top teams for talent and depth works for me. I really do like that method of building a top tier roster.

Also, I don't believe Payton throws away draft picks anymore than it's throwing your money away when you ante up to play poker. You gotta' pay to play and the winner gets paid. Sometimes you win and sometimes you don't. The key is to win more than you lose with strategy such as going all in on a good hand or folding and waiting for a better hand. Using wise decisions based on your experiences and the odds as well increase your odds of winning. How many times have you been playing black jack when some newbie took a very questionable hit which was your winning card?

Jeff Ireland was a God send and his assistants initially looked good but the last few drafts have been hit or miss at best. However, it may be time to reevaluate the staff and possibly bring in fresh faces in the scouting department. It's time to get back to great scouting. Maybe it's time to reevaluate the evaluation process.