Which would you want? Win Out or Lose Out?

AsylumGuido · 12-06-2021, 08:26 PM

Recent discussions concerning our Saints' current situation has raised a philosophical question. Given our present position in the NFC the Saints could reach two extremes over the remainder of the season. They are mathematically capable of winning out or finishing in the bottom five records in the NFL.

Given two choices which would you personally prefer?

1) Have the Saints lose all of their remaining games and guarantee a top five pick in the 2022 draft.

2) Have the Saints win all of their remaining games and lose in the first round of the playoffs.

One or the other.

stickman · 12-06-2021, 08:36 PM

Okay, went with option 2.

I understand better draft pick and all that, but... I hate losing. Also, I think being a playoff team helps you with free agents as opposed to looking like a team in decline.

BakoSaint · 12-06-2021, 09:42 PM

For a team that has already been in the playoffs and been disappointed a lot of times, one and done may be worse than not going to the playoffs at all. We would be like the Falcons. So I think it better to get the pick. We need to realize the window is closed and clear out our cap. We need to restructure Peat and Thomases contracts to be paid off sooner not later.

neugey · 12-06-2021, 10:23 PM

Top 5 pick? What are those?

jeanpierre · 12-06-2021, 10:31 PM

That's the choices? Sheesh...

saintfan · 12-06-2021, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That's the choices? Sheesh...

I chose the 'this poll is dumb' option.

AsylumGuido · 12-06-2021, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That's the choices? Sheesh...

I'd prefer going to the the playoffs and winning it all, of course, but I was wondering what choice between this two options. Which of the two scenarios would you prefer, JP? Pretty straight forward.

AsylumGuido · 12-06-2021, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I chose the 'this poll is dumb' option.

Too difficult for you? Note that people actually have opinions that they are willing to share. Neither is wrong. Which of the two would you prefer?

jeanpierre · 12-07-2021, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'd prefer going to the the playoffs and winning it all, of course, but I was wondering what choice between this two options. Which of the two scenarios would you prefer, JP? Pretty straight forward.

Here's the thing, while I'm usually the realist and not blinded by fandom that I don't withhold criticism of the team, coaches, or players, this season is different...

We've an extra game this year and there's gonna be a lot of dangerous teams make the playoffs the last week of the season...

As much of a tailspin as our season has taken with injuries and some occisional bone-head play calling, we've beaten some pretty good teams this season...

If the playoffs were today, those teams would be the AFC No. 1 seed (Pats), NFC No. 2 seed (Packers), NFC No. 3 seed (Bucs), NFC No. 6 seed (Redskins)...

In fact, the Saints have the best record in the NFL vs strongest teams - Imagine That; and it may work against us in draft seeding...

And I truly believe the table was set against us vs the Cowboys; considering Saints unavailable, Taysom's brave, injured performance, we had those MoFos at full strength...

But if we lose another game, don't think we make the playoffs even if we get Kamara, Ramczyk, Davenport, Tanoh, Gardner, Cam Jordan, and Trautman back this season...

However, if we can squeak it out, get those names back, Taysom can tough it out through the tournament, well, as the saying goes, any given Sunday...

But if we lose one more game, say the Jets, I'd tank all games except ATL, so we could move up in the draft and get the best possible roster reinforcements...

So that's my reply, AG...

Sinner · 12-07-2021, 01:46 AM

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View Poll Results: Which of the following scenarios would you prefer?
The Saints lose all of their remaining games and have a top 5 pick in the 2022 draft	11	45.83%
The Saints win all of their remaining games and lose in the first round of the playoffs	13	54.17%
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12-06-2021, 08:26 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,216	Which would you want? Win Out or Lose Out? Recent discussions concerning our Saints' current situation has raised a philosophical question. Given our present position in the NFC the Saints could reach two extremes over the remainder of the season. They are mathematically capable of winning out or finishing in the bottom five records in the NFL. Given two choices which would you personally prefer? 1) Have the Saints lose all of their remaining games and guarantee a top five pick in the 2022 draft. 2) Have the Saints win all of their remaining games and lose in the first round of the playoffs. One or the other.

12-06-2021, 08:36 PM	#2
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,680	Re: Which would you want? Win Out or Lose Out? Okay, went with option 2. I understand better draft pick and all that, but... I hate losing. Also, I think being a playoff team helps you with free agents as opposed to looking like a team in decline. neugey, FinSaint, Rell&Gold and 1 others like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Which would you want? Win Out or Lose Out? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'd prefer going to the the playoffs and winning it all, of course, but I was wondering what choice between this two options. Which of the two scenarios would you prefer, JP? Pretty straight forward. Here's the thing, while I'm usually the realist and not blinded by fandom that I don't withhold criticism of the team, coaches, or players, this season is different... We've an extra game this year and there's gonna be a lot of dangerous teams make the playoffs the last week of the season... As much of a tailspin as our season has taken with injuries and some occisional bone-head play calling, we've beaten some pretty good teams this season... If the playoffs were today, those teams would be the AFC No. 1 seed (Pats), NFC No. 2 seed (Packers), NFC No. 3 seed (Bucs), NFC No. 6 seed (Redskins)... In fact, the Saints have the best record in the NFL vs strongest teams - Imagine That; and it may work against us in draft seeding... And I truly believe the table was set against us vs the Cowboys; considering Saints unavailable, Taysom's brave, injured performance, we had those MoFos at full strength... But if we lose another game, don't think we make the playoffs even if we get Kamara, Ramczyk, Davenport, Tanoh, Gardner, Cam Jordan, and Trautman back this season... However, if we can squeak it out, get those names back, Taysom can tough it out through the tournament, well, as the saying goes, any given Sunday... But if we lose one more game, say the Jets, I'd tank all games except ATL, so we could move up in the draft and get the best possible roster reinforcements... So that's my reply, AG... Rell&Gold likes this.
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