Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs

AsylumGuido · 12-20-2021, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Belechick failed at his first HC job as well, and that turned out OK. With a strong GM I think DA could do well, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone takes a chance after last night. I'm amazed he's been under the radar this long.

Yes, but consider that Belichick won 36 games out of 80 over five years with the lowly Cleveland Browns plus a rare playoff victory in his first try.

Allen led the Oakland Raiders to back to back 4-12 seasons in his first two years only to be fired after starting 0-4 in his third season.

Allen's name comes up every year but he never gets the call. Once again, not every great coordinator translates to a good head coach. I believe that's how he is view by those in the know.

SaintGnome · 12-20-2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes, but consider that Belichick won 36 games out of 80 over five years with the lowly Cleveland Browns plus a rare playoff victory in his first try.

Allen led the Oakland Raiders to back to back 4-12 seasons in his first two years only to be fired after starting 0-4 in his third season.

Allen's name comes up every year but he never gets the call. Once again, not every great coordinator translates to a good head coach. I believe that's how he is view by those in the know.

Yeah, I get that, but I'm not sure it will hold true after this.

SaintGnome · 12-20-2021, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes, but consider that Belichick won 36 games out of 80 over five years with the lowly Cleveland Browns plus a rare playoff victory in his first try.

Allen led the Oakland Raiders to back to back 4-12 seasons in his first two years only to be fired after starting 0-4 in his third season.

Allen's name comes up every year but he never gets the call. Once again, not every great coordinator translates to a good head coach. I believe that's how he is view by those in the know.

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Yeah, I get that, but I'm not sure it will hold true after this.

and trust me I don't want him to leave

AsylumGuido · 12-20-2021, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Yeah, I get that, but I'm not sure it will hold true after this.

I think this is the perfect example of the Peter Principle.

"The Peter Principle observes that employees rise up through a firm's hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence."

Dennis Allen makes a great DC, but his strengths are not used at the next level.

That said, I can see a team offering him a ton of money trying to steal him from the Saints as a DC.

SaintGnome · 12-20-2021, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think this is the perfect example of the Peter Principle.

"The Peter Principle observes that employees rise up through a firm's hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence."

Dennis Allen makes a great DC, but his strengths are not used at the next level.

per your opinion

AsylumGuido · 12-20-2021, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

per your opinion

Yes. My opinion ... and that of many others over the years. He was miserable with the Raiders as head coach. But great before and after as DC.

SaintGnome · 12-20-2021, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. My opinion ... and that of many others over the years. He was miserable with the Raiders as head coach. But great before and after as DC.

Yup, got it, I heard you

SaintGnome · 12-20-2021, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Yup, got it, I heard you

I'm not sure everyone will think as you do.

SaintGnome · 02-10-2022, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think this is the perfect example of the Peter Principle.

"The Peter Principle observes that employees rise up through a firm's hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence."

Dennis Allen makes a great DC, but his strengths are not used at the next level.

That said, I can see a team offering him a ton of money trying to steal him from the Saints as a DC.

Good call

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Good call

After six additional years let's hope he is still within his level of competence.

12-20-2021, 06:40 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by SaintGnome Belechick failed at his first HC job as well, and that turned out OK. With a strong GM I think DA could do well, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone takes a chance after last night. I'm amazed he's been under the radar this long. Yes, but consider that Belichick won 36 games out of 80 over five years with the lowly Cleveland Browns plus a rare playoff victory in his first try. Allen led the Oakland Raiders to back to back 4-12 seasons in his first two years only to be fired after starting 0-4 in his third season. Allen's name comes up every year but he never gets the call. Once again, not every great coordinator translates to a good head coach. I believe that's how he is view by those in the know.

12-20-2021, 06:50 PM	#2
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes, but consider that Belichick won 36 games out of 80 over five years with the lowly Cleveland Browns plus a rare playoff victory in his first try. Allen led the Oakland Raiders to back to back 4-12 seasons in his first two years only to be fired after starting 0-4 in his third season. Allen's name comes up every year but he never gets the call. Once again, not every great coordinator translates to a good head coach. I believe that's how he is view by those in the know. Yeah, I get that, but I'm not sure it will hold true after this.

12-20-2021, 06:51 PM	#3
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes, but consider that Belichick won 36 games out of 80 over five years with the lowly Cleveland Browns plus a rare playoff victory in his first try. Allen led the Oakland Raiders to back to back 4-12 seasons in his first two years only to be fired after starting 0-4 in his third season. Allen's name comes up every year but he never gets the call. Once again, not every great coordinator translates to a good head coach. I believe that's how he is view by those in the know. Originally Posted by SaintGnome Yeah, I get that, but I'm not sure it will hold true after this. and trust me I don't want him to leave

12-20-2021, 06:52 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by SaintGnome Yeah, I get that, but I'm not sure it will hold true after this. I think this is the perfect example of the Peter Principle. "The Peter Principle observes that employees rise up through a firm's hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence." Dennis Allen makes a great DC, but his strengths are not used at the next level. That said, I can see a team offering him a ton of money trying to steal him from the Saints as a DC.

12-20-2021, 06:53 PM	#5
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think this is the perfect example of the Peter Principle. "The Peter Principle observes that employees rise up through a firm's hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence." Dennis Allen makes a great DC, but his strengths are not used at the next level. per your opinion

12-20-2021, 06:57 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by SaintGnome per your opinion Yes. My opinion ... and that of many others over the years. He was miserable with the Raiders as head coach. But great before and after as DC.

12-20-2021, 07:02 PM	#7
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. My opinion ... and that of many others over the years. He was miserable with the Raiders as head coach. But great before and after as DC. Yup, got it, I heard you

12-20-2021, 07:04 PM	#8
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by SaintGnome Yup, got it, I heard you I'm not sure everyone will think as you do.

02-10-2022, 02:42 PM	#9
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think this is the perfect example of the Peter Principle. "The Peter Principle observes that employees rise up through a firm's hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence." Dennis Allen makes a great DC, but his strengths are not used at the next level. That said, I can see a team offering him a ton of money trying to steal him from the Saints as a DC. Good call

02-10-2022, 02:56 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Observations From The Saints' Win vs Bucs Originally Posted by SaintGnome Good call After six additional years let's hope he is still within his level of competence.