Season Wrapup

iceshack149 · 01-13-2022, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Other factors other than leadership, ability, and performance, perhaps?

Knowing you, you're certainly alluding to race but many here didn't like his behavior off the field a few years ago, which was pretty awful. I feel that he's matured the last couple of years and it appears that he's a leader in the Saints locker room. Also, I can't judge a man when I've been guilty of poor behavior in my past. Good for him for striving to improve his life in every facet.

It's my opinion that he's the Saints best option at QB next season. I hope that the team doesn't try to bring in Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson and the QB's in this draft don't impress me.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2022, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Knowing you, you're certainly alluding to race but many here didn't like his behavior off the field a few years ago, which was pretty awful. I feel that he's matured the last couple of years and it appears that he's a leader in the Saints locker room. Also, I can't judge a man when I've been guilty of poor behavior in my past. Good for him for striving to improve his life in every facet.

It's my opinion that he's the Saints best option at QB next season. I hope that the team doesn't try to bring in Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson and the QB's in this draft don't impress me.

Wasn't alluding to anything specifically. I'm sure his distant past is involved as you pointed out, however. I just know several fans, as Rez addressed, don't seem to see what we see. I see that take all the time in the Saints Twitter following. It's baffling.

saintfan · 01-13-2022, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Wasn't alluding to anything specifically. I'm sure his distant past is involved as you pointed out, however. I just know several fans, as Rez addressed, don't seem to see what we see. I see that take all the time in the Saints Twitter following. It's baffling.

The why don't you elaborate on your bull**** statement? What factors "other than leadership" WERE you referring to little

?

You're the white guy walking in to a black panthers meeting offering to help. In the real world (not the interweb on your puter) you could get really ****ed up for faking that kind of ****, and rightfully so.

You sick little race-baiting ****er...

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2022, 11:45 AM

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Budsdrinker · 01-13-2022, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

A lot of QB critiques here are based on a season where we had a garbage O-line and limited WR/TE help. I think we only saw Sean's Offensive vision against the dirty birds and both Taysom and Trevor looked very good in it when the line was at it's healthiest. I myself wouldn't be throwing anyone in the garbage can.

Finally some true facts.

Budsdrinker · 01-13-2022, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You might want to go back and check the final injury report for the first six weeks. Both Armstead and McCoy missed most of those games.

The QB missing the most significant players was Siemian. I'm open for using preseason for what it is intended and have QB competition again. I'm for giving
Jamesis another shot. He was looking good before the injury. Still had some indecision but was getting better. I'm sure coming off of injury he will sign a cap friendly contract. It is pretty much impossible to grade any QB's from 2021 season with the all the missing pieces for most of the season. Here's to a healthier 2022.

hitta · 01-13-2022, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Thing is Jameis was playing smart IMO and doing all asked of him. His TD/INT ratio was excellent. I'm not sure what the team will do of course, but I wouldn't hate it if we gave him another shot at it with a real team around him.

He wasn't getting pressured on every play like Hill and SIemian were. When we had a stable line, the offense still felt lackadaisical under Winston. When the line was a bit better towards the end of the season Hill just felt like he was more explosive in every aspect.

saintfan · 01-13-2022, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

He wasn't getting pressured on every play like Hill and SIemian were. When we had a stable line, the offense still felt lackadaisical under Winston. When the line was a bit better towards the end of the season Hill just felt like he was more explosive in every aspect.

That's true. But still our WRs just weren't getting open with any consistency.

It felt, to me, like we were about to open things up a little bit when Jameis got hurt. I love Taysom. I would support him as the starter, but I think Jameis is already where Hill would aspire to be, meaning reads, game management, etc.

Boston Saint · 01-13-2022, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

He wasn't getting pressured on every play like Hill and SIemian were. When we had a stable line, the offense still felt lackadaisical under Winston. When the line was a bit better towards the end of the season Hill just felt like he was more explosive in every aspect.

But even with the Indecision he had a very good touchdown and interception numbers, as well as team W-L record. Was he Brees?...No. Was he better than Hill?....I think so.

rezburna · 01-13-2022, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Other factors other than leadership, ability, and performance, perhaps?

I definitely think it’s personal feelings more than an assessment of his play. Jameis Winston is by and large a better QB than everybody on our roster. If I had to give him a Madden rating I’d say he’s an 85. Taysom Hill is like a 72 only because he can run. Trevor is about a 72 as well. Book…65.

Originally Posted by saintfan

The why don't you elaborate on your bull**** statement? What factors "other than leadership" WERE you referring to little ?

You're the white guy walking in to a black panthers meeting offering to help. In the real world (not the interweb on your puter) you could get really ****ed up for faking that kind of ****, and rightfully so.

You sick little race-baiting ****er...

Don’t be like that fam. Guido cool.

01-13-2022, 10:28 AM	#51
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Other factors other than leadership, ability, and performance, perhaps? Knowing you, you're certainly alluding to race but many here didn't like his behavior off the field a few years ago, which was pretty awful. I feel that he's matured the last couple of years and it appears that he's a leader in the Saints locker room. Also, I can't judge a man when I've been guilty of poor behavior in my past. Good for him for striving to improve his life in every facet. It's my opinion that he's the Saints best option at QB next season. I hope that the team doesn't try to bring in Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson and the QB's in this draft don't impress me. jnormand, Rsanders24, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.
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01-13-2022, 10:33 AM	#52
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by iceshack149 Knowing you, you're certainly alluding to race but many here didn't like his behavior off the field a few years ago, which was pretty awful. I feel that he's matured the last couple of years and it appears that he's a leader in the Saints locker room. Also, I can't judge a man when I've been guilty of poor behavior in my past. Good for him for striving to improve his life in every facet. It's my opinion that he's the Saints best option at QB next season. I hope that the team doesn't try to bring in Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson and the QB's in this draft don't impress me. Wasn't alluding to anything specifically. I'm sure his distant past is involved as you pointed out, however. I just know several fans, as Rez addressed, don't seem to see what we see. I see that take all the time in the Saints Twitter following. It's baffling. rezburna likes this.

01-13-2022, 11:30 AM	#53
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Wasn't alluding to anything specifically. I'm sure his distant past is involved as you pointed out, however. I just know several fans, as Rez addressed, don't seem to see what we see. I see that take all the time in the Saints Twitter following. It's baffling. The why don't you elaborate on your bull** statement? What factors "other than leadership" WERE you referring to little ? You're the white guy walking in to a black panthers meeting offering to help. In the real world (not the interweb on your puter) you could get really ed up for faking that kind of , and rightfully so. You sick little race-baiting **er...

01-13-2022, 11:45 AM	#54
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01-13-2022, 12:08 PM	#55
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by SaintGnome A lot of QB critiques here are based on a season where we had a garbage O-line and limited WR/TE help. I think we only saw Sean's Offensive vision against the dirty birds and both Taysom and Trevor looked very good in it when the line was at it's healthiest. I myself wouldn't be throwing anyone in the garbage can. Finally some true facts. RailBoss and Thirty3 like this.

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01-13-2022, 12:19 PM	#56
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You might want to go back and check the final injury report for the first six weeks. Both Armstead and McCoy missed most of those games. The QB missing the most significant players was Siemian. I'm open for using preseason for what it is intended and have QB competition again. I'm for giving Jamesis another shot. He was looking good before the injury. Still had some indecision but was getting better. I'm sure coming off of injury he will sign a cap friendly contract. It is pretty much impossible to grade any QB's from 2021 season with the all the missing pieces for most of the season. Here's to a healthier 2022. saintfan, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 3 others like this.

01-13-2022, 12:23 PM	#57
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,320	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by saintfan Thing is Jameis was playing smart IMO and doing all asked of him. His TD/INT ratio was excellent. I'm not sure what the team will do of course, but I wouldn't hate it if we gave him another shot at it with a real team around him. He wasn't getting pressured on every play like Hill and SIemian were. When we had a stable line, the offense still felt lackadaisical under Winston. When the line was a bit better towards the end of the season Hill just felt like he was more explosive in every aspect. saintfan, jnormand, Thirty3 and 1 others like this.
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01-13-2022, 12:31 PM	#58
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by hitta He wasn't getting pressured on every play like Hill and SIemian were. When we had a stable line, the offense still felt lackadaisical under Winston. When the line was a bit better towards the end of the season Hill just felt like he was more explosive in every aspect. That's true. But still our WRs just weren't getting open with any consistency. It felt, to me, like we were about to open things up a little bit when Jameis got hurt. I love Taysom. I would support him as the starter, but I think Jameis is already where Hill would aspire to be, meaning reads, game management, etc. Rsanders24, Rugby Saint II, Rell&Gold and 1 others like this.

01-13-2022, 12:52 PM	#59
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by hitta He wasn't getting pressured on every play like Hill and SIemian were. When we had a stable line, the offense still felt lackadaisical under Winston. When the line was a bit better towards the end of the season Hill just felt like he was more explosive in every aspect. But even with the Indecision he had a very good touchdown and interception numbers, as well as team W-L record. Was he Brees?...No. Was he better than Hill?....I think so. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

01-13-2022, 08:21 PM	#60
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Other factors other than leadership, ability, and performance, perhaps? I definitely think it’s personal feelings more than an assessment of his play. Jameis Winston is by and large a better QB than everybody on our roster. If I had to give him a Madden rating I’d say he’s an 85. Taysom Hill is like a 72 only because he can run. Trevor is about a 72 as well. Book…65. Originally Posted by saintfan The why don't you elaborate on your bull** statement? What factors "other than leadership" WERE you referring to little ? You're the white guy walking in to a black panthers meeting offering to help. In the real world (not the interweb on your puter) you could get really ed up for faking that kind of , and rightfully so. You sick little race-baiting **er... Don’t be like that fam. Guido cool. Rsanders24 and Rell&Gold like this.