Season Wrapup

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2022, 07:58 AM

This is true.

rezburna · 01-12-2022, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

I’m referring to off season and preseason. They both had the same players to practice with. Honestly, if Payton didn’t waste time trying to make Hill a starting QB, Winston would have gotten a lot more reps with the starters and in general. Winston flat out was the better QB. He had a 102.8 rating with 14 TD and 3 Ints? What else do you want from him? He played 7 full games and was still our leading passer.

I get it…you probably just don’t like him and that’s cool but don't try to minimize the impact that he had on the start of our season.

Everyone else gets a pass for what they have done but Winston. He had us at 5-2 and was taking care of the ball. Hill is not a QB that you want throwing the ball a lot. We have more proof of him being a turnover machine in this offense than we go with Winston.

Let me say that I do like Hill but in certain packages, not as a full time QB. He was bailed out on so many bad throws this year, especially when trying to push the ball vertically.

If they thing there is a better QB on the market that’s affordable then I hope they go for it but we do not have a starting QB under contract.

And for all those who think Book can take over, is not going to happen. He is average at best. The same issues he had in college will now be magnified in the NFL. He is basically a Chase Daniel clone and Chase was a better QB, arm talent wise.

All facts.

Thirty3 · 01-12-2022, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

We have to sign one of the Williams…if we can’t get Marcus then we have to resign PJ. I hope we can get both back and save some money by letting Jenkins go.

Everyone forgets that Jameis played with the same players as Hill and was flat out the better QB. Our offense is better with Hill playing his Swiss Army knife role.

Hill did NOT play with the same players.
Offensive line changed like 18 times.
Hill NEVER had Ingram.
Tight end replacements
Hill did not have Deonte Harris most of the time
I'm sure someone could give us the rundown on different receivers though even with lesser recievers and the above Hill put up better passing stats. In his last full game he had 5 scoring drives MINUS Terron Armstead and Ramczyk.
Hill played with a DECIMATED Offense and Defense and many players playing injured INCLUDING HIMSELF. Jameis had the whole team INCLUDING Hill all fresh and healthy for first six games.
Go back and watch the whole season again and tell me you wouldn't rather any quarterback on our team more than Winston. Winston was insecure about what he was doing and Coach Payton ADMITTED he was keeping the play calling vanilla, though he didn't admit why. With Hill the whole playbook was open with a few more special plays for him. Yes, I am on the Hill bandwagon. LOL

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2022, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Hill did NOT play with the same players.
Offensive line changed like 18 times.

Jameis had the whole team INCLUDING Hill all fresh and healthy for first six games. LOL

You might want to go back and check the final injury report for the first six weeks. Both Armstead and McCoy missed most of those games.

Budsdrinker · 01-13-2022, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You might want to go back and check the final injury report for the first six weeks. Both Armstead and McCoy missed most of those games.

The QB missing the most significant players was Siemian. I'm open for using preseason for what it is intended and have QB competition again. I'm for giving
Jamesis another shot. He was looking good before the injury. Still had some indecision but was getting better. I'm sure coming off of injury he will sign a cap friendly contract. It is pretty much impossible to grade any QB's from 2021 season with the all the missing pieces for most of the season. Here's to a healthier 2022.

Boston Saint · 01-12-2022, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Go back and watch the whole season again and tell me you wouldn't rather any quarterback on our team more than Winston.

I would rather have Winston than ANY other QB that the Saints had on their roster this season. He is BY FAR the best QB on the team. PERIOD.

All my opinion of course.

rezburna · 01-12-2022, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I would rather have Winston than ANY other QB that the Saints had on their roster this season. He is BY FAR the best QB on the team. PERIOD.

All my opinion of course.

I’m so confused as to how anybody could see it any other way.

RailBoss · 01-12-2022, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m so confused as to how anybody could see it any other way.

Take it from Dirty Harry..
Well, opinions are like A$$Holes Everybody has one.

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AsylumGuido · 01-13-2022, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m so confused as to how anybody could see it any other way.

Other factors other than leadership, ability, and performance, perhaps?

saintfan · 01-12-2022, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I would rather have Winston than ANY other QB that the Saints had on their roster this season. He is BY FAR the best QB on the team. PERIOD.

All my opinion of course.

I love Hill. He might be one day what Jameis is now. Jameis is the next level. We just need to get some people around him. It's coming...

01-12-2022, 07:58 AM	#1
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01-12-2022, 10:44 AM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by Rsanders24 I’m referring to off season and preseason. They both had the same players to practice with. Honestly, if Payton didn’t waste time trying to make Hill a starting QB, Winston would have gotten a lot more reps with the starters and in general. Winston flat out was the better QB. He had a 102.8 rating with 14 TD and 3 Ints? What else do you want from him? He played 7 full games and was still our leading passer. I get it…you probably just don’t like him and that’s cool but don't try to minimize the impact that he had on the start of our season. Everyone else gets a pass for what they have done but Winston. He had us at 5-2 and was taking care of the ball. Hill is not a QB that you want throwing the ball a lot. We have more proof of him being a turnover machine in this offense than we go with Winston. Let me say that I do like Hill but in certain packages, not as a full time QB. He was bailed out on so many bad throws this year, especially when trying to push the ball vertically. If they thing there is a better QB on the market that’s affordable then I hope they go for it but we do not have a starting QB under contract. And for all those who think Book can take over, is not going to happen. He is average at best. The same issues he had in college will now be magnified in the NFL. He is basically a Chase Daniel clone and Chase was a better QB, arm talent wise. All facts. Rsanders24, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

01-12-2022, 02:53 PM	#3
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by Rsanders24 We have to sign one of the Williams…if we can’t get Marcus then we have to resign PJ. I hope we can get both back and save some money by letting Jenkins go. Everyone forgets that Jameis played with the same players as Hill and was flat out the better QB. Our offense is better with Hill playing his Swiss Army knife role. Hill did NOT play with the same players. Offensive line changed like 18 times. Hill NEVER had Ingram. Tight end replacements Hill did not have Deonte Harris most of the time I'm sure someone could give us the rundown on different receivers though even with lesser recievers and the above Hill put up better passing stats. In his last full game he had 5 scoring drives MINUS Terron Armstead and Ramczyk. Hill played with a DECIMATED Offense and Defense and many players playing injured INCLUDING HIMSELF. Jameis had the whole team INCLUDING Hill all fresh and healthy for first six games. Go back and watch the whole season again and tell me you wouldn't rather any quarterback on our team more than Winston. Winston was insecure about what he was doing and Coach Payton ADMITTED he was keeping the play calling vanilla, though he didn't admit why. With Hill the whole playbook was open with a few more special plays for him. Yes, I am on the Hill bandwagon. LOL jnormand likes this.
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01-12-2022, 03:03 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by Thirty3 Hill did NOT play with the same players. Offensive line changed like 18 times. Jameis had the whole team INCLUDING Hill all fresh and healthy for first six games. LOL You might want to go back and check the final injury report for the first six weeks. Both Armstead and McCoy missed most of those games. Rsanders24, Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

01-13-2022, 11:19 AM	#5
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You might want to go back and check the final injury report for the first six weeks. Both Armstead and McCoy missed most of those games. The QB missing the most significant players was Siemian. I'm open for using preseason for what it is intended and have QB competition again. I'm for giving Jamesis another shot. He was looking good before the injury. Still had some indecision but was getting better. I'm sure coming off of injury he will sign a cap friendly contract. It is pretty much impossible to grade any QB's from 2021 season with the all the missing pieces for most of the season. Here's to a healthier 2022. saintfan, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 3 others like this.

01-12-2022, 06:57 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by Thirty3 Go back and watch the whole season again and tell me you wouldn't rather any quarterback on our team more than Winston. I would rather have Winston than ANY other QB that the Saints had on their roster this season. He is BY FAR the best QB on the team. PERIOD. All my opinion of course. saintfan, RailBoss, Rugby Saint II and 4 others like this.

01-12-2022, 08:47 PM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by Boston Saint I would rather have Winston than ANY other QB that the Saints had on their roster this season. He is BY FAR the best QB on the team. PERIOD. All my opinion of course. I’m so confused as to how anybody could see it any other way. RailBoss, Rsanders24, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

01-13-2022, 08:23 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by rezburna I’m so confused as to how anybody could see it any other way. Other factors other than leadership, ability, and performance, perhaps? Rsanders24, rezburna and Thirty3 like this.

01-12-2022, 09:20 PM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Season Wrapup Originally Posted by Boston Saint I would rather have Winston than ANY other QB that the Saints had on their roster this season. He is BY FAR the best QB on the team. PERIOD. All my opinion of course. I love Hill. He might be one day what Jameis is now. Jameis is the next level. We just need to get some people around him. It's coming... Rell&Gold, K Major and Boston Saint like this.