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Saint in Aus 01-18-2022 07:02 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942149)
I’m not vehemently opposed to Carr, but the fact that the author said he’d easily be an upgrade over anybody on the roster is a huge stretch. Jameis Winston is a more talented QB than Derek Carr. Winston went #1 overall for a reason. He’s now in the best situation he’s ever been in. I don’t blame him for not being able to overcome a ****ty organization like the Bucs. Only a Tom Brady could change that around. He’s got stability here. We need to retain continuity. It’s not time to blow it up just yet.

Winston > Carr
We make the post season if Winston stays healthy this season and with the Rams and Niners making the Divisional Round, anything could have happened if we made it (particularly with our D).

BakoSaint 01-18-2022 10:56 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942186)
For those concerned about cap space here's Nick Underhill with a quick video explaining the simple concepts.

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...39454971334665
I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing.

hitta 01-19-2022 01:04 AM
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We could tank really hard, get Bryce Young and win a few Super Bowls. Bryce Young is going to be a better version of Russell Wilson.

saintsfan1976 01-19-2022 06:03 AM
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Indeed. Saints will (again) work the cap in a way that allows them to acquire levels of free agent talent. Don't need big splashes.

Shore up Marcus Williams. Solidify the O line. Add a playmaker at WR. Draft well.

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 942203)
I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing.
It was only a non-playoff team due to an unprecedented number of key injuries. Do not ignore the NFL record 58 different starters on offense and defense throughout the season as a significant factor. And that doesn't count the different kickers used due to the preseason injury to our excellent kicker. His absence alone cost us a couple of wins ... which by the way would have easily placed us in the playoffs. And what about that little thing called Ida that displaced the team for the first month?

saintfan 01-19-2022 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942218)
It was only a non-playoff team due to an unprecedented number of key injuries. Do not ignore the NFL record 58 different starters on offense and defense throughout the season as a significant factor. And that doesn't count the different kickers used due to the preseason injury to our excellent kicker. His absence alone cost us a couple of wins ... which by the way would have easily placed us in the playoffs. And what about that little thing called Ida that displaced the team for the first month?
And yet the team was supposed to go 17-0 baby!, and you attacked that voice of reason at every turn.

Idiot

AsylumGuido 01-19-2022 04:26 PM
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saintsfan1976 01-19-2022 04:54 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 942203)
I think Nick Underhill is biased because he has a vested interest in the Saints offseason being an exciting story for him to earn a livelihood covering not a depressing compromise. Everything has not always been ok, this past year we went from winning our division with one of the best records in the league to missing the playoffs and having one of the weakest receiving cores in league history. Having to convert roster bonuses and salaries of guys like peat, hill, and thomas to signing bonuses is dangerous because we create situations where very injury prone very potentially ineffective players could play for almost free this year but go into future years with so much deferred money that we can’t afford to cut them no matter how bad they are, so we end up stuck letting players any other team would cut who make no contribution to the team playing out the their contract and cashing ever dollar. Peat could end making more money in 2023 forward than keeping Armstead would have cost. Hill could finish his contract with 8 games played in the next 3 years but more dead money than Brees. Michael Thomas could end up like Antonio Brown with the Raiders and get in a public fued with Payton and punch Lattimore and lose a toe in a cryo chamber but we cant cut him without a 50m cap hit. If we keep managing our cap this way we might even have to sign Peat and Hill to longer extensions to age 40 to spread out the cap hit. We need to maintain flexibility to be able to manage a sane roster and i just dont see how deferring money on bad contracts helps that. Logic and reason and common sense say that leading the league in being over the cap with a non-playoff team is not a good thing.
Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.

Rugby Saint II 01-20-2022 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 942268)
Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.
As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair? :roll:

Rugby Saint II 01-20-2022 11:21 AM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints Off-Season Decisions
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 942268)
Have you read any of Underhill's articles? He's the least biased Saints writer in the business.

You're complaining about a system the Saints have clearly mastered to the point other teams now emulate and pursue their assistants.

Bottom line is this - our ceiling was game 1 vs Green Bay. The entire team makeup changed from that game, and continued each game after that through the ENTIRE SEASON.

My point is this - just a handful fewer injuries and our team is more than likely playing a home playoff game this weekend.
As long as Gayle is willing to pay what ever the FO needs then this team seems to have an excellent accounting blueprint. We have one of the best rosters in the NFL after using this principle. Didn't the NFL nix one of our accounting principles recently saying it was unfair to the rest of the NFL? :roll:


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